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THE QUIVER QUESTIONS

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pDails
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**overview: Should i sell my 06-07 scratch bc 171 in order to purchase a more jib friendly powder and park usable ski???? and if so, which ski??? should i just use the lizzies as my jibbable park/pow ski, the scratch fs as park only, and get another ski for pow specific(these being the pow specific)?? or use lizzies as my pow ski, get a pow/park ski like anthem or arv, and retire the scratch fs's to urban/spring park only???  p.s. money IS an issue.


height: 5' 11"
weight: 185-200 (i weigh 200 right now because i had to gain weight for football, but my weight im planning to be at for ski season is 185-190)
other skis in quiver:05-06 scratch fs 180cm, 06-07 lizzies 172, 06-07 scratch bc wrs 171(in the process of selling...I think)
where i ski: I ski mt. hood meadows almost all of the season.  im not sure how i would break down the percentages of my skiing because that depends mostly on the weather.  in spite of that, i ski powder whenever available/whenever new snow.  ussually powder consists of trees(tight and slightly open trees) and open bowls into trees.  most of the time the bowls end up chopped and cruddy so the good pow is in trees.  after lunch even on powder days i ussually end up in the park because all powder has been chopped up.  i ski park and powder/trees with groomers only being to get to/from park.  i do make a trip once a year for about 4-5 days to either utah or whistler with the intent to ski powder if the weather permits.  what i ski in park is pretty much defined by the work "park".  except i dont ski pipe very much

preferences in skis:  i prefer skis to be soft, yet responsive.  for example scratch bc's are stiffer than i really like.  **90+ mm underfoot**  also i definetely do not want a ski over 180.  the skis that im looking at that are like 178 or 179 would be mounted closer to center so this has to be taken into consideration.

skis im considering:
06-07 175 Armada ARV - heard they are very soft and great in and out of park.  how would they fair mounting close to center??

07-08 178 Line Anthem - Sounds like one hell of ski to me. almost exactly what im looking for: Soft, jibbable, and wider. also symmetrical seems amazing.  problems: unproven really.. also, can they handle the powder and trees at all? or are they too soft to do ANY hard tree skiing?? are they to soft to be really responsive in trees?? are they going to even last a season??

06-07 178 Scratch BC/07-08 Scratch brigade - Is there a difference?? the only reason i would really consider these is if i should just use the lizzies as my jibbable park/pow ski, the scratch fs as park only, and get another ski for pow specific(these being the pow specific). if mounted close to center would they be usable outside park?? if mounted off of center usable in park??

06-07/07-08 4frnt VCT 175 - again is there a difference between years?? too wide to be manageable in park at all?

k2 Seth 179 - by the dimesions they seem pretty directional. if mounted closer to center would it ruin performance outside park?? how are they switch??  is there any difference between the different years???

comparing questions: would someone like to order these skis in order from softest to stiffest???

**please only reviews from people who have ridden these skis or have first hand experience and please keep in mind there are really TWO questions being asked.  WHAT TYPE OF SKI SHOULD I GET TO COMPLETE MY QUIVER?? AND ONCE TYPE IS DECIDED WHICH SKI SPECIFIC TO THAT TYPE SHOULD I GET??
Oct 28 2007 6:43PM
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dorikin
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If money is an issue, maybe you don't need anymore skis, your quiver seems pretty extensive as it is. You have BCs which are a great all around, Lizzies are great as all arounds, park, or pow skis(albeit a bit short) and Fs for the park, you don't need any more skis. However, I could see how you would desire something else. The BCs are a ski that is great all mountain and in the park, but In my opinion really doesn't excel in one category. Never ridden lizzies, but they seem very similar although a radically different design. If you ski the PNW maybe you just need a dedicated pow ski. of the skis you listed I have owned 175 ARV's and although they killed it in park mounted near center, I dominated them on the rest of the mountain at 5'9" 160 lbs. I think they will be to short for you mounted center.

Oct 28 2007 6:53PM
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dorikin
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Also, I would NOT want to ride anthems in the pow. I skied with somebody who has them, and although they are a sick ski, they aren't that fat, and with the center mount they seemed like a bitch to ski in powder. I don't think they are really a ski that is a park ski that is also designed to ski pow, but rather a park ski for those that like park skis a little bit fatter. You already have Lizzies dude, which seem like a sick PNW park/pow ski. If I were you I would look into a dedicated pow ski, something no smaller than 105 in the waist and 185 in length.
Oct 28 2007 6:59PM
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pDails
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^^Thank you very much.  any reccomendations of hwat that ski might be??
Oct 28 2007 7:06PM
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pDails
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also, length is the reason that i want to sell the scratch bc's

Oct 28 2007 7:06PM
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P.J.S.
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I would definitely sell the 171cm Scratches.  They are too short for your height/weight.  As far as you mentioning that they are too stiff, would you care to elaborate?  I am 6'2" and 160 lbs and I think that my 185cm Scratch BC's are a medium flex, not too noodly and not too stiff.  I personally think that the Scratch BC's/Brigades can be ridden pretty well anywhere, but not do one type of skiing particularily better than another.  That being said, NPM has a pair of 178cm Brigades he is selling cheap on Ebay, that might be worth looking into, there is a thread on here somewhere.  With your weight, you could benefit from a longer ski, especially for riding powder/all mountain.
Oct 28 2007 7:07PM
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pDails
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i agree also that they are too short.  ^^any specific reccomendations other than brigade??

Oct 28 2007 7:10PM
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pDails
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for a more pow specific ski how about: hellbents, vcts, jp v julien? any ideas??
Oct 28 2007 7:17PM
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dorikin
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Definitely dude. I ride JP Juliens in the powder and actually they have pretty much become my daily driver. They slay the deep stuff, and the weight and insanely awesome flex makes them very manageable in trees and on groomers chopped bowls or whatever, they can do it all pretty well. The VCT's seem legit, I wouldn't do the 175 but whatever the next length up is. You mentioned you like a softer flexing ski that is still responsive. JP's pretty much fit the bill, they don't respond well on edge becuase of the lack of sidecut, but you can toss and smear to your hearts content. The flex is is simply orgasmic, nice and round and soft, but still torsionally stiff.

Do you like your lizzies? if you are in love with those, the SFB would be a logical step up for bigger days.

I can't comment on Hellbents, because I have never ridden them, but if this is truly a pow setup, then a 179 Hellbent would be a very sick setup for you.
Oct 28 2007 7:30PM
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pDails
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****BIG ADJUSTMENT TO THREAD***** looking for a powder specific ski:

Hellbent 179 - what is the rocker like?? how soft?? they seem awesome

4frnt VCT 182 - how stiff compared to a scratch bc?? 

jp v julien - what length? 188 seems really long...

Scratch Steeze 186? - what is the deal with these skis?? havent heard much. what is the flex like (compared to another ski)???

Oct 28 2007 7:45PM
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Matty_C
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sounds to me like the ski you're after is either bsquad pro, legend pro xxl, dp pro or titan pro. they'd be perfect i think.
Oct 28 2007 7:49PM
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dorikin
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Hellent: Crazy ass rocker, they have like probably less than 100 cm of running length. Pretty soft, but very burly/heavy.

VCT- I don't think I would ever buy 4frnt nor have I ever been very interested in their skis. They are expensive. For less money, I think we can find you something you will like just as much.

JP- they make a 178 but just man up and ski the 188, I do, and I am smaller than you. I know they may seem big, and they are pretty long (mine are well over my head) they ski way way shorter. I just now took some measurements for you: The tails on my 181 scratch fs are less than 5 inches long. The tails on my Jps are around 8 inches long!  Even the nose is pretty long as it has kind of a early taper narrow shape (which I think skis awesome in powder). But yea, that was just to demonstrate that although they are 188s they ski shorter, and they are retarded light. 

Steezes: Haven't skied them. FYI, some people that have, told me they are absolutely the best ski ever in the history of the Universe, or even the world! Seriously though, they are fat, and they have nice sidecut, and they have the scratch wrs construction which owns.
Oct 28 2007 7:54PM
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hollygrove
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182 VCT's maaaaan.
Supposedly one o fthe sickest skis out there, and they sound perfect for you.
Oct 28 2007 8:44PM
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pDails
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^^any info to support??
Oct 28 2007 10:49PM
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pDails
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Oct 29 2007 1:19AM
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Atheyman
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- To answer some earlier questions the scratch BC (Brigade) is virtually unchanged this year so knock that one out of the running. The Seth is a relatively soft ski but this year they added a bit of rocker to the tip which in my opinion detracts from their versatility and makes them ski kinda funky switch and when you're on hardpack.

-I have never skied a 4frnt but I do like they way they sound with the flex you like on your skis. To me they sound like the old Seth before they went with the rocker which ruined an all mountain big stick in my opinion. I ski on a Seth from last year and absolutely love it in all conditions so to me this ski sounds sick.

-I think dorikin69 is right on line with the advice he's giving you. The steeze I think would be too stiff if you know you like a softer ski. They are very similar to the Scratch BC. I would say you would be happiest on the Jp v Julian cause they have the nice soft flex that you're looking for and Armada's torsional strength more than make up for that softness. The other ski I would look at is the Francis Bacon.

-If you're looking at a 100% pure powder ski then you could look at the Hellbents or the EP pro,  which both have the rocker with a more traditional sidecut than the ARG or Spatula copies. I can't comment to how they ski on a non-powder day as I haven't skied either of them but I can't deny their appeal for that twice a year dump...


Oct 29 2007 7:12PM
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