Highschool girls/ religion

you completely missed my entire point... good job...

hitlers hatred of jews was not the cause of WW2, yes there wa a genocide but that fell under hitlers racial polocy which nazis ensured that it was put in place all over "greater Germany" which being the conquored nations of the third reich. hitlers hatred of jews was more a racial issue than it was a religious one.

also religion was not overly encouraged in nazi germany, but rather a heightened sense of nationalism which was the reason behind hitlers expansionist policy = the cause of WW2

I actually really dislike yoiung life. Theres this church that serves food for highschool kids, just like snhacks and stuff, which is great because mad ghetto kids go there instead of hitting the crack pipe. (You get the point). THe thing is, they always try to play it off like everyones welcome and its all just fun and games, but once you go there consistantly, they try to sneak you into going to activities, and basically trying to seduce you into conversion. Its mad gay and it makes me so mad. Its how they got involved unfortunately, but people should respect others opinions instead of forcing theirs upon you, however sly and seductively they do it. 

I have a lot to say about this statement and your general arguement, but i have neither the time nor desire to type it up for a single post in nsg.

However i will say that attempting to use the wager argument is an absoluely awful way of trying to prove your point. This is by far one of the weakest philisophical attempts to sway people to come over to the church. For those of you who dont know what pascals wager is, (because rudeboy failed to explain it) it essentially says it makes sense to believe in god because if you do you will go to heaven and your gain will be great, and if he doesn't exist nothing happens. But if you choose not to believe in god and he does exist then you go to hell and your loss will be infinate, but if god dosent exist you lose nothing. Therefore it makes sense to believe in god right? maybe not.

This argument has some huge weaknesses though. It assumes that god values blind belief over actions. What if god thinks you should live your life and try to make the world a better place for your being in it, whether or not you believe in God? If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, he may judge you on your merits coupled with your commitments, and not just on whether or not you believed in him.  (wiki article) There are other criticisms to this argument as well, and you can find them on wiki if you want to "look it up" like you suggested everyone else does. here ill even provide a link to make it easy for ya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

With that being said i must say that atheism is not moronic. Those who say they are atheists to appear cool or rebelious are moronic, just like the stupid girls that go to Young Life and base their entire world view off of one week at a retreat are moronic. To really figure out your own stance concerning religion you must spend years pondering your own beliefs and worldviews and the reasons behind them. Therefore nobody is stupid or moronic because of their beliefs, they are moronic for following a fad and not thinking the options through to their fullest. 

ive thought my opinions through my whole life and i am a firm believer that god exists and that jesus christ was the number one prophet... the messiah... whos life ambition and meaning was to bring this news... in order that we on earth could be saved from eternal suffering...

your right one of the oldest ways for the church and such to help people see the light is the wager philosophy... notice i said help ... not force...

have they ever FORCED anything on you? in my experiences with relgious folk... they will strike up the conversation about god... they are concerned with your beliefs yes... for the fact that they want you to feel the same enlightenment they have felt... they did not tie you down and force feed you the eucharist and condem you a sinner... if you feel like your being slowly tricked or forced at a retreat or something... keep in mind it was your decision to be there and you can leave at any time... i dont not agree with the church!!! i think many people are missing that in this thread.... the church is wrong ok...

i am speaking of actual believers and that are devout in their faith... i dont necessarily mean church members, preachers, the right wing war mongrals... or whatever you happen to associate with belief in god... like i said in previous posts, evil will present itself in the form of good... even the holy father himself...

you are correct when u speak of god not valuing blind faith... and that he expects you to live your life trying to make the world a better place...but in my thoughts and beliefs i dont know how one could behave this way and honestly live their life to make the world better and not believe in something higher... thats why i think its hypocrisy... ifs you are truly atheist and you believe in nothing... there is no reason to make the world a better place... you are not living for the betterment of mankind or even yourself since you have removed the fear that keeps believers complacent... so you would therefore have no reason to posses any sort of morals, conscience, or value to anything whatsoever...

however most atheists claim that they are living this way... for the betterment of fellow man... they claim to have morals and behave in the right way which would contribute positively to mankind... they just simply dont believe that its for a mankind created by a god that will judge them after death...  this is something i dont understand... what is the point then??? where do you think that desire comes from... the desire to do good and help fellow man... it comes from god.... just like the desire to be sinful comes from the devil...

so do atheists deny the legitamacy of the concept of good and evil? cmon now...

please excuse me calling someone "moronic" before... im man enough to admit when something was uncalled for...

 really what i want from all this is to get some of you thinking about why your atheists and if anyone has read this thread and it has made them even CONSIDER the existance of god, then i am saisfied...

this life is short people, you will not take your money and belongings with you...  and there is something after this life... something better... it is a paradise BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING.... beyond.... what we are able to even comprehend...

dont miss out on it...


im done with this thread.... let the hate fly...

This is the most important part of your long statement, and that's fine.

Atheists are exactly the same as you, except they have a different motive for living, than living a good life to get into heaven.
We aren't tied down by this 'fear' of god, of not getting into heaven, we simply look at the world as it appears, in the moment, and how we can make it better. We don't have an escape, our only option IS to make it better.

How is that bad?

I try to do what I subjectively consider to be "right" without needing fear of eternal damnation for motivation. Life's short and I'd rather work towards satisfaction and happiness for myself and others than only act (and do good works) out of a selfish concern for my afterlife.

what are you talking about? i go to a catholic school and no one is like that

It feels good to do the right thing in most instances not just because you might think that will help you avoid damnation. The thing about religion is that sins can be forgiven by your god but if your a prick to people in your life right now on earth they might not forgive.
This reminds me of a time I found a wallet with 300 dollars in it. I was about to keep it but then thought about my christian beliefs and how god would not like that. I left it with my mom and it turned out that the wallet belongs to a mentally "unstable or challenged" lady in my neighborhood. That was all the money she had to her name. I felt good about that deed because I knew that I did the right thing in the eyes of myself, others, and my god.
Christians don't reluctantly give to the needy. they do it with great joy because giving is a great feeling. Parents don't give their children presents because they feel obligated but because they love thier children. I don't try my best to do good things because I am worried about going to hell but I do them because it feels good, makes others feel better, and pleases what i believe to be my god.

woooowww bump for lulz

here's a logical argument for the existence of god if you want one.  i hope you can read and understand it for what it actually presents instead of with any other agenda.

http://books.google.com/books?output=html&id=JecQAAAAIAAJ&dq=articles+of+faith&jtp=27

so yeah, there you go.

I hate outwardly religious people.  They just feed up on whatever bullshit people tell them and are too stupid to realize and think outside the box.  They attribute everything to God and do everything for something that has no proof.

Obviously, since you go to a Catholic school, people at your school actually believe in their faith. I'm saying that a lot of people recently have chosen just to become religious because everyone else was doing it, and because of a fun camp retreat thing they do with a youth organization known as Young Life.

it sounds like you lead an extremely fulfilling and purposfull life.

Shut the fuck up. Saying it has backing and support means fucking nothing. I'm not saying I know practically anything about physics, just that I know what you said was complete bullshit, categorizing Buddist monks meditating into physics just doesn't work.

I'm saying you keep making these arguments on "scientific proof", yet I haven't seen one credible source. I don't have to come up with proof myself to say that you haven't come with any yourself, your the one creating an argument on it, and my refute to it is that you have no fucking proof even though you say you do.

Since when did I ever say I knew anything about it, I just gave an elementary definition of physics, and saying that your categorization was bullshit.

Plus I'm in a fucking AP Physics course, I'm pretty sure I know more physics than you.

This explains it all:

In a nutshell, that describes all religious issues. Yep. Why have we all argued about this since the beginning of time when a motivational poster like this could have spared us the trouble?

Sorry for the triviality...I thought it was funny the first time I saw it

solid point. looks like this topic is done. i never expect it to arise again on these boards.

Hahaha oh Eli.
I'm saying, if it's so wrong, show me proof that it has to be wrong, show me that physics is completely limited to only the physical motion of the world, and has nothing to do with atoms changing form based on extreme mental capacity and perception.
Prove me wrong, and I will gladly refute my statement, until then, it stands up for debate.

I thought you were in AP chem?

But since you insist of sources, I'm going to give you all the youtube links about the movie. It's about physics, mentality, and perception. Like I said, but you ignored, it's speculation and theory.
So here
Part 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCSk7WC4GI&mode=related&search=
Part 2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCSk7WC4GI&mode=related&search=
part 3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJcVOln5YGQ&mode=related&search=
Part 4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qn2eSJilFU&mode=related&search=
Part 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUMNUpNNqjs&mode=related&search=
Part 6- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I42rz-2KsfU&mode=related&search=
Part 7- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi_tfjEHupk&mode=related&search=
Part 8- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwip3Z2r6k&mode=related&search=
Part 9- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bDGojljzBI&mode=related&search=
Part 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzCubyrPZ5I&mode=related&search=

Hitler was a Christian by the way. He was actually pretty religious. Even through his childhood.

I heard that thing about us only using 10 percent of our brains is an urban legend but alot of idiots probably use less than one. look at the way people drive.

dude, if a kid has problems with reading books about lesbians because it is against his religion, either deal with it like an open minded person or go to a christian school or isolate yourself in your home and have mommy teach you

Hahaha we do only use like 10% I believe, and most of it is devoted to autonomic functions, and the senses. Not to thinking so much.

Oh and Eli, do you see this rain?! This is fucking intense!
It's raining so hard at sunset that it's actually yellow outside from the light reflecting off the raindrops!

What bible have you been reading where it says that blonde haired blue eyed people are supreme and that there is a lost continent in the middle of the ocean?

Hitler like many other politicians probably claimed to be christian to help get peoples approval.

Where did I say it came from the Bible? I was saying that Hitler was religious. There is a difference.

NO dude you said that hitler was christian i was asking where were his beliefs listed in the bible.

Hitler had very strange beliefs of his own about the mythical continent of atlantis. no where in the bible was that mentioned. he also took part in occult practices which are defined as very bad sins in the bible.

Hitler didn't kill jews because he thought he was doing jesuses work, The bible in fact says that he who curses the jews will be cursed himself so he obviously could not have been christian unless he was just some freaking strange made up religion with bits and pieces of christianity mixed in.





But back on MTbakerteachers movie. I watched part one and it brought up some interesting subjects but the comments said that it failed to present alot of scientific evidence for that stuff. I dont really know very much(probably more for the average 15 year old) about the stuff discussed in that movie.

Since when do all of someone's beliefs have to come from the bible if they are Christian? Hitler...Atlantis? Care to source that one?

Hitler was religious whether you like it or not. I never said he was doing it because it said so in the Bible, or whether or not it had anything to do with the Bible. Just pointing out that he was in face religious. No need to freak out, Stalin was Atheist, and he could be considered worse then Hitler in many ways.

Quoting SharfSchutze from Oct 16 2007 8:33:46:
"Hitler was a Christian by the way. He was actually pretty religious. Even through his childhood. "

You said he was christian though. He probably claimed that to get the german(mostly christian) more to his side. Christians that spew hate shouldn't even call themselves that if your worshipping a guy who preached to love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.

and to restate Hitler took part in occult rituals. Not even the westboro babtist church strays that far away from the bible.

Bottom line-Hitler was not christian

Don't take any offense to me debating you I think you make valid points on the other things you said. Like hitler being religous, yes he was it was just his own wierd little cult he and his SS buddies or whoevfer. were in pretty much.

Regardless of his hate, he was a practicing Christian. His hate was implanted in his mind earlier in life by a role model. And because I said he was Christian, that doesn't mean that antisemitism stems from Christianity.
That is YOUR opinion on Christians. It was a but only a few hundred years ago when that was very much the way of Christianity.

Prove the occult rituals part too. You dodged on the atlantis part.
He may have been religious out of convenience, but that's not what his childhood suggests.

OK, seriously dude. if you are going to bash on Christians, use something that is not complete bullshit!
1: "we love every one, gay people go to hell."    The fact that someone, christian or otherwise loves you, does not mean that you are or are not going to hell. A christians love has nothing to do with your salvation. A sin is a sin. and the punishment is death. for this argument we will accept that being gay is a sin. so is murder and adultery. the list goes on. As a christian, I love you. according to Jesus, the only way to heavan is through him, not through 1080enemy, not through Joe Christian. we have all sinned, and therefore all deserve death.

2:"every one edeserves a 2nd chance, if you say "i denounce jesus christ as my lord &saviour its an unforgivable sin so you go to hell."  we all deserve death, and more. Christs death gives you a second chance. Either that, or you ask for forgiveness and it is given to you. depeding on your school of though that is.

please charmander, give me more. explain to me why I am a hypocrite! how has my religion disproven itself.

generalities are crap, people. They will only prove you wrong. it is the same as assuming all skiers only ski groomed runs, or that we are all as talented as tanner hall. saying that all christians xyz...... or all athiests xyz......... is shit. I know christians who don't believe in a heavan and hell. who beleive saturday, and not sunday is the sabath, and this is a big deal to them. I know christians who beleive that a womans place is in the home. I don't beliave God cares which day we have arbitrarily assigned as the sabath. I believe in equal rights for men and women. and I pray that there is a heavan.

faith and grace people, faith and grace.

first of all heaven is not an escape... and with nothing after death... what is the point of making the world better...

in the situation of the kid who found the wallet... what would be your motivation in giving it back... your motivation would be yourself? because you care about this world in which you will someday die and never see another day of this world again...?

well that makes a lot of sense...

you dont live for the betterment of fellow man without believing there is some higher reasoning for doing so... other wise... there is no reason!!!  it is human to be greedy and sinful and to seek power... it is in our nature... it takes more than just your human self to bring good to the world and live a good life... it takes a soul...

and to the people saying how christians are close minded idiots who dont think outside the box... im sorry thats a really dumb statement...

what is more close minded and thinking within the box than believing in nothing... i think in order to believe one has to open their mind to the fullest before even reaching the possibility of a conclusion that god exists...

its human nature to be a skeptic... to base decision off rationality and physical proof before their eyes... so to accept the idea of god, one would most deffinately require an open mind... to say the least...


i know i said i was done with the thread but i just had to...

Of course the pre genocide days of hitler or pre crazy he was christan. He was babtised roman catholic as a child but he obviously was not a christian during his years of occult beliefs. He claimed to be christian to a german public but was obviously not.


want proof on occult and atlantis.

atlantis and strange alien things- http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewcolumn.php?id=9

Occult- http://www.livingstonemusic.net/hitlerandtheoccult.htm
btw I saw a history channel show about hitlers strange beliefs.

It is not MY opinion on christians that they are antisemetic. The zionists kiss jews asses.

I didnt dodge. I proved it

Adding to what I was saying about hitler is that alot of the athiests on here probably started out christians or of some faith when they were a child, didn't buy it so stopped believing in that or never did at all. I am not comparing any of you guys to hitler but just because someone grew up in a christian family doesn't mean they were christian all their life. You can't judge a mans life who lived to be about 56 on what he did his first 20 years of life or so. If you did that hitler would probably not be a page in the history book but seem like an ok dude for that time.

He was professing christianity right up until 1945, there was no need to do that if it was out of wanting the Public's support. That's one thing that doesn't support you.

As per your sources...did you even read them? I'm looking for credible sources... Not fucking crack pot sources.

History Channel? History channel has done shows on the supposed 9/11 conspiracy, just because it's on the history channel doesn't make it credible. Use critical thinking here.

Christians not too long ago were violent mofuckas. Most cultures were.

And trust me, those sites do not constitute proving. Considering that's the type of source you had to resort to, you did not prove it.

Hitler was a pretty fucked up kid too.

well alot of wars werentwars are waged for religion, or power or money

most people in Catholic schools aren't that  catholic at all. people just go for the hell of it. yeah we have morning prayer but not a lot of people do the sign of the cross or any of that. and people are happy when we have to do like a seasonal mass because it's a "waist of class time".

*waste

I belive in the concept of an infinte being, or something of infinte power and ability.  However, I do not belive in any religion.  I have done an extensive amout of research on the origin and creation of religion and it has turned me off from believing and following it. 

I have no problems accepting that others choose to follow religion, however i dislike when religion leads to unjust and immoral acts, unfortunately it virtually always has and probably will continue to.

Just my thoughts on this issue...

No, but my conscience is not based on the teachings of a religion. I'm not an asshole, I just do not give my life to something that I do not know for a fact exists. I am strong and I depend on myself, not weak and dependent on a god to give me blessings. I earn what I get, shit's not just given to me. Tell me that I'm gonna go to hell. I don't believe it exists. And if it does, I'll deal with it if it comes.

What "pics or it didnt happen?" just stop arguing. Those were the first links that popped up.

Of course hitler proffessed christianity because he wanted the german peoples approval. Ive learned in about 3 different history classes that hitler belonged to the thule or whatever.

Your now just starting to be a little bitch who got made because I proved to you that hitler wasn't really a christian. Lets just stop arguing.
Just because you have never heard of a website doesnt mean its not legit. Maybe those were a little in question but better than a freshly edited wiki source

will this movie and website help a little?


http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/3indx.htm  t

iler wasnt a christian during his genocide years but we had to turn it into a big long debate. You just said that I was wrong because my sources didnt seem "legit"enough. You never even provided any proof that hitler was a true christian or any to prove my evidence wrong.


Lets stop debating over this, Hes dead, he sucked and is probably laughing in hell over how much we seem to care about him enough to debate over what he believed in on a skiing site.

best thing yet in this thread

Maybe you were right this "german christian church" sure sounds like alot of christians I mean worshipping hitler is totally christian

"Before 1933, Germany had some thirty Protestant denominations. By force or persuasion, Adolf Hitler lumped these together into the blasphemous "German Christian Church", in November of that year. He quickly replaced Christian theology with the virulently anti-Christian dogma of the Nazis-- the entire Old Testament was abolished; as were the writings of the Apostle Paul. Hitler thereby created his own church and Bible, an official, internationally recognized religion where he played the Messiah. It was headed by Reich Bishop Ludwig Müller, a former army chaplain and ardent Nazi. 1

As the Nazis mutilated the Bible in 1933, and misrepresented its contents for an older generation reluctant to surrender their faith; plans were already underway to eradicate Christianity for the new generation of Hitler Youth unexposed to true Biblical teachings. Hitler replaced Christian rituals with pagan rituals such as the winter and summer soltice festivals-- still celebrated today by neo-Nazis around the world. The Nazis also sought the eradication of traditional Christian marriage and birth ceremonies"

if you believe in god based on Pascal's wager theory its technically a sin. you are basically basing your belief not because you have faith in him, but because you are taking a gamble for your own good outcome. that's worse than being an atheist, thats like being greedy.

I doubt he bases his whole faith on pascals wager. Its not like people just go to church and act like they believe in god and they don't unless they are forced to. Obviously you couldn't win that wager if you didn't have true faith.

im not even gonna reply to that... did you even read any of my other posts?

First, sorry, but I think it's funny that in a serious thread such as this, you are begging to a Pokemon creature. Immature I know, but I needed a break from all the seriousness somehow...

Break ended.

Secondly, Wouldn't those people who change their beliefs mean they aren't really Christian, because they aren't following the religious beliefs given by the Bible?
See, this is where I get confused...
Where does Christianity stop, and become some other belief that someone happens to have?
Some religions are basically the same, but have little differences that are big enough to start wars. Judaism (sp?) is the same as Christianity, but they don't believe in Jesus or the old testiment.
Different religions have different rules and ways of being interpreted, so to go under the broad term of being "Christian" is really misleading. Especially if some trendy girls think they're cool because they're "Christian". That is a gross insult to what Christianity could be or is.

I'm not Religious, but I believe the same things as Christians, just with my own tweaks to here or there.

I don't liek how people are like "yeah jesus whoo hoo he should of won american idol" People need to know about thier religion if they are going to live their life to it. young life is really just a fun program that introduces christ to teenagers but some girls get that bible and then turn into those westboro type but thats rare.

i loled about the charmander. that was my favorite pokyman until that kid stole his name sake

Im out. fall asleep watching the colbert report

hahahahahaha!!! shits hilarious!!