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mtbakerteacher
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Rant. Leave now if you don't want to read.

Ever since a ton of people joined Young Life, I have been noticing a sharp increase in the number of hardcore religious girls in my area. And it's not that I have a problem with people believing in a higher being, it's just their reasoning, and they way they are acting nowadays.
I mean, they do young life for a few months, hanging out with fun, dynamic youth leaders, meet new people, go to places like camp Malibu, with a beautiful setting and religion being won into them through fun activities, come back and all they can think about is that week, attribute it to God, and lose touch with reality. What the fuck! I honestly want to just start going off on them, telling them they about how they don't even know about the majority of what's a part of Christian theology, what the history of it is, and how they can justify treating me any differently now, just because I'm Atheist. It wouldn't normally irk me that they are religious, except that they are doing it because everyone is, and it has become a fad.

Cliffnotes: Girls become religious after Young Life. They don't know their stuff. They treat Atheists differently. Religion treated as a fad.

Have you, people of NS noticed a similar such shift in the people of your schools' views towards religion?
Oct 15 2007 6:44PM
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TheButterHashira
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My old preacher used to come hang out with me and my family and drink a glass or two of wine and watch the game lol.

I dont think that in order to be a "good" christian you need to stop hanging out with your non christian friends. Just because me and someone dont believe the same things about god doesnt take away from other things we have in common.

Everyone on this site has different political and religous views but we all like skiing so we can all be friends.
Oct 15 2007 10:04PM
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Alex_G
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I don't like the idea that a God is watching my every move (and everybody else's) and is not gonna allow me into a heaven (which i do not know exists) if i do immoral things. I don't think that is the right way to be motivated to do moral deeds. One should be motivated to do moral deeds because they want to help other people out, not to fulfill the objective of going to heaven. That's making being genuinely nice to people because you like to be nice a cheaper thing because they are doing it for a whole other objective--heaven.
Oct 15 2007 10:04PM
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reggyboy
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good for you, thats how religion should be treated, sadly however, this is rarely the case
Oct 15 2007 10:05PM
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unchyll
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ahhaa when i was a freshman i smoked out 2 mormons in one night
Oct 15 2007 10:05PM
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TheButterHashira
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It just depends. The people that get fanatic are the ones that just listen to their leaders whether political or religous and don't go and look for the answers themselves.

Oct 15 2007 10:07PM
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mistaskia
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the revolutionary war
the civil war.

sorry if these were already said didnt read the whole page.

but anyway i am a roman catholic also,  i have no problem with other people believing in there own thing, as long as you dont bother me about ur religion or try to talk shit about mine.  Most of my friends are athiest and there wicked chill.  basically im trying to say respect the fact that i believe in god and i will respect your beliefs also.  thats my outlook on it
Oct 15 2007 10:08PM
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mtbakerteacher
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Haha they invited me to a Young Life meeting a few weeks ago, and I was like, "Sure I'll go... But is it a problem that I'm Atheist?"

Oh man the look she gave me after that was PRICELESS! She was like, "Uhh it will be..."

Actually I wanted to go to pick up chicks, but then I decided that I shouldn't go because I'd start answering questions about the Bible that kids ask...

Anyways. I think somebody quoted me asking how I can't bring myself to believe in a god, and it's simple. I just can't force myself to believe that there is an all knowing, perfect, sentient entity who created everything. Same way you can't believe that there ISN'T one. I believe in nothing, you believe in everything. It's not so different.

Also, my decision on my beliefs was formed after 12 years of churchgoing, and about 4 of those in disbelief. (My mom made me go.)
Oct 15 2007 10:10PM
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TechnoPotamus
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absolutely absolutely absolutely!!!   people always fail to realize this because often time they're busy preaching their beliefs and telling other people they're wrong for what they believe.  I refuse to support religion.  It dictates so many things that affect our country....our president shouldn't use religion as a point to gain votes, and they shouldn't make decisions based on religion...it should be based on what is best for the entire country.

when did we lose sight of the term utilitarianism you know?


Oct 15 2007 10:11PM
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GreekAR6
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Nice, Karl Marx.  But seriously the same thing is happening at my school.  Minus Young Life.  I think churches are realizing that being religious may not be 'cool' for a lot of kids.  So they're starting to target them using different methods to get more teenagers into religion.
Oct 15 2007 10:11PM
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comeatmebro
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ww2, jews...that would be religous

and idk if this is really much doing with the thread but i like talking about this so im just gonna type away.

to start off, i can care less what people are and what they believe in it just doesn't bother me. when i was younger my parents made me go to sunday school every day then once i got into skiing hardcore around 9 i didn't go in the winter cause i was skiing. next thing you know i don't really go anymore. im not sure anymore about what i believe in, i believe in something i just can't understand it so it makes it hard. heres how i see it; something had to create all of this stuff we have today. according to law of conservation of mass, it can't be created nor destroyed, so how did it get here? someone had to make all of the matter somehow someway. i believe evolution took over after the big bang, but wtf happened before that? there was just nothing, how can there be nothing? empty space is something so what was here? some type of "god" had to create the matter etc. but then, what created him? i just really seem to grasp it and probably never will be able to. sometimes because i can't grasp all of it i just kind of lean towards full evolution but i just don't know...
Oct 15 2007 10:12PM
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rudeboy_87
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you sound exactly like me few years back...

wait till your world abandons you and you are facing poverty and losing your health while everyone else laughs in your face... you'll ask god to help you...

atheists are moronic...

check out the idea behind Pascal's "wager" philosophy...  its truly ignorant to go through life denouncing the existance of god...

Oct 15 2007 10:17PM
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rudeboy_87
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fuck i meant to quote you ^^^
Oct 15 2007 10:17PM
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clayborn
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Well I go and the girls arn't anything like that. They're just not super slutty, and are way better people to talk to. imo
Oct 15 2007 10:17PM
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TheButterHashira
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more along the lines of genocide and race but hitler did have some crazy religous beliefs.                     religion perhaps played a very minor role in WW2 but i stay to my beliefs that hitler saw his mom being banged by a jewish man and that led to his hatred for the jews
Oct 15 2007 10:18PM
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TechnoPotamus
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maybe it's not meant to be understood though.  i mean trying to figure out how life started is like trying to figure out what happens when life ends.  Sure you can guess and predict and attempt to form your own opinion of it but in the end nobody is right and nobody is wrong because nobody could ever possibly know.  It just sort of blows my mind that religion was created way back when and it still continues to be preached and believed in now.

This is a silly view i guess but here's how i kinda see it....
-someone comes up with some story of how life begins and they tell someone else and this continues on exponentially
-large groups of people buy this story and believe in it so strongly that some are willing to devote their lives to it or even give their lives for it (terrorists).


...is this brainwashing?   i suppose not since usually you have the freedom to choose what you think.  i don't know, i mean no offense to religion i just don't see anything good coming from it i guess.  it's a super tough issue to grasp and talk about.
Oct 15 2007 10:18PM
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comeatmebro
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true true...

also i hate going to my school really, i actually really enjoy debating about our existence, the universe, religion etc. but no one in my school does this or none of my friends know anything about anything to do it. so im gonna talk in here a lot.
Oct 15 2007 10:20PM
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doublexl
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therez so many H4X christianz where i be.
Oct 15 2007 10:20PM
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fresshhhh
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SCIENCE DAMNIT!
Oct 15 2007 10:22PM
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rudeboy_87
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there are extremist in every group known to man... just because people have fought and died over religion does not mean that its a bad thing...

people have taken religion and are using in it vain of its intentional use... this pisses god off ok...

god is not in favor of war, death, money, corporations, profiting, etc....
god is not american, not european, nor is he is buddhist, taoist, hindu, jewish etc... he is god... and the main ideal behind him to love one another, help one another in times of need, regardless of any differences... and to not be influenced by greed or anything else that is WORLDLY or not of god...

people associate god with religion and the extremist people of earth who commit sinful acts in god's name... thats using god in vain... that is satan himself...

the bible warns of satan presenting himself as the light... evil presents itself as good, something positive that will benefit you... and it says that the world with support this type of behavior and back it up as being good or prosperous... this is a perfect example of the world we live in today... these are the temptaions we have to resist in order to go to heaven...

its really simple people... quit labeling religion (as something that has negatively affected the world) and associating it with god...

this is the biggest misconception made when it comes to belief in god...
Oct 15 2007 10:29PM
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mtbakerteacher
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Is it? How is not believing any different than believing? Unless somehow your god is affecting your life, and making you healthier than me (which I doubt), how are you any different?
However, in response to your finding of belief while you were down, this is a typical story. If you've ever listened to rap, from really ghetto people, a lot of rap is very religious. Many rappers actually have a rough background, and it reflects in their music.
I think what really helps people who are down, is their realization of how much their life sucks, and their gained motivation to do better for themselves.
Also... There's physics. According to something in physics, if all humans could use 100% of their brain and focus on something, the matter would change to what they focused on. This is why there is believed to be psychics.
In the movies and books called, "What the bleep do you know?", they gather a number of highly spiritual Buddhist monks, and bring them into a room, and have them spend a week focusing and meditating entirely on a glass of water, telling it to lower its oxygen level. After a week or so, it did. There are many other correllations of such findings.

To the fellow who touched on the Big Bang. The big bang proposes that all mass was condensed into that single entity (Maybe it was your god), and it exploded, with mass expanding outwards, creating all that we know today.

While I respect peoples rights to believe what they want, and to believe in a higher being, I consider it more of an easy way out of the mental burden of "The big question"-- Why we are here.
Oct 15 2007 10:32PM
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charmander
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you know though...
most atheists were at some point christian, or were raised christian, i mean im not an athiest, i do my own differrent thign, but i was a christian till about 4 years ago, its just that when your raised in it you see only good thingsd if your family realtionship is all fine and dandy, but like i saw what it does to people, that shit fucks people up
Oct 15 2007 10:33PM
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TheButterHashira
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We aren't really here  but just in the elaborate dream of a butterfly or autistic child in another demension.
Oct 15 2007 10:42PM
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crazyfuck
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haha, ok mang... if you say so.

that's all your "opinion"... your opinion is that i'm a moron because i don't believe in god.  in turn, i think you're batty as hell for being such a self-righteous, dooms-day-proclaiming stereotype.

and let's get something clear- i don't go through life "denouncing" the existence of god.  in fact, unless someone else brings it up, i really don't think about it, so you can't say i go through life doing much besides checking out the next piece of ass to tap.  i digress... i don't "denounce" anything- i simply don't believe in it.  you won't hear me proclaiming that anyone's wrong for believing, trying to tell others that i'm right and they're wrong (the opposite of what you're doing...).

and i'm sorry, but "wait till your world abandons you and you are facing poverty and losing your health while everyone else laughs in your face... you'll ask god to help you..." is signature-worthy.
Oct 15 2007 10:43PM
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crazyfuck
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one more thing, rudeboy_87... assholes like you are the reason i don't go to church.
Oct 15 2007 10:47PM
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rudeboy_87
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i went to a catholic school untill high school... and my family relationship was far from fine and dandy...

i know what it does to people and how it "fucks them up"

im speaking about what the thread maker said in his first post about how religion is becoming almost trendy...

atheism is no different, how many underground cultures/styles of dress/ belonging to certain social groups/ things that attract young impressionable minds/  and shit like that can you associate with atheism...? tons....

the main thing that kills me about atheists is their disapproval of christians trying to speak to them about christianity.... saying oh i shouldnt have to hear that this country has freedom of religion blah blah... yet they do the exact same thing... and are appaled all people who choose to believe in god labeling them as stupid or weak because they believe in a higher power...

you dont understand that when you truly believe in something you want to tell others about it... cause well, you believe in nothing (which makes lifes pretty pointless) ..... you are excited to tell them the "good news" that you know its not that we are trying to make you join some kind of cult its simply from human being to human being to make the world a better place ... now im not saying that the church doesnt try to force it upon people... i dont necessarily agree with the church expecially the catholic church....

if you are so against cult-like religion then quit turning atheism into a religion and being so hypocritical
Oct 15 2007 10:49PM
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rudeboy_87
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i havent been to church in years jackass
Oct 15 2007 10:51PM
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rudeboy_87
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then go ahead and put it in your signature buddy and help me spread the word to people who are in need of direction in their life...

and u know why thats such a classic statement? cause its true...

i guarentee all you atheists will pray to god on your death bed...

quit trying to be cool and different by being an atheist you are just joining up like everyone else...

conformity thru non conformity... now thats classic...
Oct 15 2007 10:58PM
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1080enemy
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Wow there is a lot going on in this thread.... I'll start with my understanding of a few things, and try to keep it short. Sorry, it's not.

A Christian is a follower of Christ, and  Christ is another word for messiah, and messiah translates to "the annointed one".  right here we have a shitload of problems. What or who is the messiah? and was Jesus really it?  what does it mean to follow christ?( or be christlike? if you will). was he the son of God? Did other people claim to be the son of God? what about Honi the "circle drawer", or Hanina ben Dosa? what does it mean to be "the annointed one"? How accurate is the Bible? Do we know who realy wrote it? when was it written?

I concider myself a christian. though I personally don't beleive religion makes you a good person or bad. I don't beleive there is any true religion. I can't fathom a God that would grant eternal life to a person based on their geographcal location, or date of birth. I believe in more than us. I don't believe you need a church to commune with God. I feel much more peace while I'm skiing, standing, gazing at the stars. Wherever, whatever I don't believe Allah is telling muslims to blow themselves up. I don't beleive God told Bush and Blair to invade Iraq. I believe greed and hate does that.

People are allowed to be new to a faith. None of you were born knowing how to type, you had to learn.  Allow people room to grow, AND make mistakes.  If you are going to be critical of someones faith, you should be open to them being critical to yours, wether or not you believe in anything. Not everyone who is a christian believes the same thing, just like all scientists also don't agree with each other...

 Don't judge a religion based on the actions of a few. they are not God, they are people. and people are fallable.

and to close my ramblings,

LOVE ALWAYS,
&
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS ON GODS MIND? seriously
Oct 15 2007 11:02PM
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rudeboy_87
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thank you... thank you.... thank you...
Oct 15 2007 11:05PM
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charmander
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ok whatever you want to think, but i will say this, atheists arent hipocrites, christians are. the religion disproves itself soooooo many times.
we love every one, gay people go to hell
every one edeserves a 2nd chance, if you say "i denounce jesus christ as my lord &saviour its an unforgivable sin so you go to hell
soooo many more.

Oct 16 2007 12:19AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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I'd just like to say this thread is legit.  Mtbakerteacher hit the nail on the head.  I'm soo fuckign sick of this young lyfe bullshit.  Fuck it all, go have fun without having the church involved.  This church guy from younglyfe comes to my school everyday and talks to kids at my lunch table.  I always make a point to talk about drugs/alcohol, fucking girls, rap, and anything that normal highschool kids talk about.  I mean the guy tries to be cool and shit but WHO THE FUCK IS INT HEIR 20'S AND COMES TO HIGHSCHOOL DURING LUNCH TO TALK TO KIDS AND INVITE THEM TO CHURCH SHIT.....what a fucking piece of shit douche bag.    

I knew I couldn't come in here without getting pissed off goddamnit.  Anyway I could easily write a few pages on this shit but I'll not bother.
Oct 16 2007 12:37AM
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Calvin.
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It's interesting how you point out that it bugs you when people don't know anything about their religion. And yet, you kinda failed everyone of those points you just made.
Oct 16 2007 12:42AM
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Elijah.
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Is this shit about Zoe/Becca/Joan/that whole fuckin' annoying group?
If it is, REALLY legit post, but what I've done Brian is just ignored them, it really helps shit.
Oct 16 2007 12:52AM
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Elijah.
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Dude, I hate to do this to you, but that has nothing to do with physics...
Physics is the study of matter in motion, not brain power?
I want to see your facts from now on dude.
Oct 16 2007 1:18AM
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PeteyG
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How the heck do u think it is a fad. Have U ever been to a Christian camp? Have you ever experienced God working in your life? Who are you to say it is just a fad. Go to camp Malibu and tell me it wasnt a life changing experience. I donno how they do it, but God seems to just pop up onto the radar and all His power is shown and everyone is stoked to be part of it. They arent doing it cuz their friends are doing it, but because they are turned on by God,

I do agree with you that they shouldnt be "irking" on Atheists because thats not cool. Everyone has their own beliefs and I respect that your Atheist. But I strongly disagree with you that being a Christian is just a fad.
Oct 16 2007 1:18AM
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Alex_G
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Also, for atheists, remember how easily somebody can be manipulated through a strong belief in a god. Hardcore conservative christians will feel guilty when they do something that their god restricts them to do, or contradicts the bible. We do not have to deal with guilt when we do something that some book or imaginary being deems wrong.
Oct 16 2007 1:19AM
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PeteyG
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Sorry I recognized you were referring to just girls. IDk their story but I do know its pretty much the same for everyone unless your some insecure girl who needs friends so she'll suck up to all the Chrsitian leaders for attention

Oct 16 2007 1:21AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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wow.....
Oct 16 2007 1:21AM
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mtbakerteacher
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GO WATCH THE MOVIE ELI.

I'm actually running that off of something somebody taught me a year ago, so it was a little fuzzy. But I covered the gist of it. Oh and yes it is about that little jesus group.
Oct 16 2007 1:22AM
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mtbakerteacher
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Oh and Eli, "Physics is the science of matter and its motion, as well as space and time —the science that deals with concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge. As an experimental science, its goal is to understand the natural world."
-Wikipedia, with my added bolds.

It's theory and speculation. Obviously it can't be proved yet because we can't use 100% of our brain.
Oct 16 2007 1:23AM
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Elijah.
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A youtube movie is as much evidence as shit is.
Seriously, go give me fucking scientific facts and not this bullshit movie stuff.
Next time I catch you bullshitting I'm gonna be mad.
Oct 16 2007 1:24AM
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mtbakerteacher
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And lastly, here's something that touches somewhat on the meditation and physics things.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Peace_of_Mind/id/219683

Just one of many sources.
Oct 16 2007 1:26AM
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PeteyG
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i do kinda agree with you that it would be kinda awkward havin some 23 yr old evangelist talkin to you about that stuff durin school environment but its def cool to actually like go to a youth group and talk cuz then your like prepared in stuff you know what im sayin
Oct 16 2007 1:26AM
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mtbakerteacher
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It's not youtube. It's a produced movie. Don't believe it exists? Ask Addo.
Oct 16 2007 1:27AM
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Elijah.
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Ahaha you just made my argument way easier. Addicus is probably THE best person to ask anything, he's never told a lie in his life. (sarcasm level set to fuckton)
You know what else is a produced movie? Mel Gibsons bullshit christ one. Saying it is produced doesn't make it in any way more legitmate than any other youtube/hollywood film.
Oct 16 2007 1:33AM
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Elijah.
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I seriously doubt the validity of that website.
Oct 16 2007 1:33AM
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mtbakerteacher
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I'm saying, that it has backing and support. YOU don't know everything about physics, and it's not just the study of motion. Physics set many other fields of science in motion, and includes more than just motion.
Accept that you don't know everything about it, and if you don't believe me, prove me wrong with proof yourself.
Oct 16 2007 1:35AM
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Crackaghan
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haha my best friends sister is doing young life stuff (they are twins) and she like cussed him out for not going to church and shit

it was hilarious
Oct 16 2007 1:39AM
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Calvin.
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Do you deny the existence of your conscience?
Oct 16 2007 2:20AM
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TechnoPotamus
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this has nothing to do with anything but i was on youtube and it made me laugh...

anybody seen the family guy episode with mel gibson in it?  Where they parody Passion of The Christ with Passion of the Christ 2: Crucify This!    anyway mel gibson walks off the edge of the cliff and peter says, "of course he did lois, everybody knows that christians don't believe in gravity!"


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