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How important is the shock absorber pad on Rossi Scratch/Look Jib bindings?

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smells_like_tuna
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I ordered some new skis online and I got them in the mail today, and they came with the bindings already mounted. The bindings are '07 Rossi Scratch 140s, but the shop that mounted them forgot to put in the shock absorber pads under the heel and toe pieces. Is this a big deal, or do those shock absorber pads even matter all that much? Has anyone on here tried using these bindings without the pads?

And before you flame me for buying online and getting screwed instead of buying locally at a shop, you should know that I live on the coast 100 miles north of Los Angeles, so although there are surf shops everywhere, there is only 1 ski shop within about 50 miles of me, and it's a crappy shop. So yeah, I bought my skis online, cuz it was really my only option.
Oct 6 2007 11:08PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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there completly useless.
Oct 6 2007 11:09PM
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Skipig25
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no, they're not good for anything.
Oct 6 2007 11:13PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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just think about the physics involved there.  there really isn't any way they make a notable difference.
Oct 6 2007 11:16PM
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fourhundred
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almost useless as the nike shocks shock
Oct 6 2007 11:16PM
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MattMcGinnis
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im assuming you bought your boots from that shop too right?
Oct 6 2007 11:19PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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nike shocks are actually usefull but you have to be over 200 lb's
Oct 6 2007 11:23PM
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MEGAZORD
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They are good for blowing your knees out.
Oct 6 2007 11:37PM
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MarkieR
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the only problem i could see that would arise from neglecting to install the shock pad would be the screws being too long and poking out of the base.  maybe not the whole way through, but those pads are definitely a few mm's thick, and that would make a difference mounting into a ski that's two centimeter's thick. 
Oct 6 2007 11:37PM
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mtsteeze406
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is the shock pad useful? doe the tin man have a wooden cock? no
Oct 6 2007 11:39PM
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Shadows
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what?
Oct 6 2007 11:39PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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yeah that didnt make any sense.
Oct 6 2007 11:50PM
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JaphyRyder
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good point...deg check this out first
Oct 7 2007 12:00AM
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WeK
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it's basically mounting with / without lifters, so I'd assume the shop would correspondingly change their screw length, but you really never know, there's so much b.s in ski shops now a days.
Oct 7 2007 12:12AM
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MEGAZORD
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The lift and ever so slightly more leverage to the ski in a fall scenario, increasing the torque applied to the knee
Oct 7 2007 12:18AM
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Shadows
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seriously? i really didnt think it was even that big of a deal. the rise is like 2mm. that would create like a 1/3rd inch pound increase in torque haha. (not really but i figure its hella small and insignifacant.)
Oct 7 2007 12:24AM
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RRP-llc
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The shock absorbers can actually cause bindings to pull out easier.  With no pad, the bindings don't move, the screws stay tight and everything is good.  With elastic pads, the bindings actually move up and down on the ski a little bit.  This adds extra force on the screws/core and can cause bindings to pull out.

Shock absorbtion should be in the boot, not the binding.

--rick
Oct 7 2007 1:47PM
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biG_EaSt
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the lifters should only go on the toe piece not the heel piece i have those same bingings u should send them back
Oct 7 2007 1:52PM
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dave44
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Useless. The shock will just be transferred through them.
Oct 7 2007 1:54PM
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Albino
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just there to look pretty, there plastic for christs sake, not even rubberised
Oct 7 2007 3:40PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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uhhhh...what?
Oct 7 2007 3:45PM
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*DrewT*
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They're completely useless
Oct 7 2007 3:48PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I hate lifters, you are better off if they did them right.
Oct 7 2007 4:21PM
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Upgrayedd
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Don't worry - you are better off without the pads.  I have mounted several pairs of various styles of px bindings (lifters and jibs) without them and as long as the dude mounting them adjusts the screw length all will be well.
Oct 7 2007 7:55PM
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General_Shredgnar
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   Ok well despite there seeming lack of use, they actually are intended to increase the longetivity of the binding by reducing the stress on all the parts. I mounted my pxs with them because one, I knew Id be riding my skis for more than a year, and two, they look sicknasty with 06/07 trouble makers. 
Oct 7 2007 8:51PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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it doesn't reduce stress on any of the parts in any significant way.  it may even, as has been suggested, increase the forces acting on the screws.
Oct 7 2007 10:11PM
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DaLiNeRiDEr21
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it more metally then the product

Oct 8 2007 9:37AM
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bbtkd1
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yeah those dont reallyh work

Oct 8 2007 9:52AM
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Luc.
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yuppers.


also it is basically just 1. an extra selling point. and 2. since the look PX 12 jib is designed to go on the trouble maker it matches the ski better.

i am sure it has some effect but none that you will notice. the post above me is very important to think about when mounting though(the one i quoted)
Oct 8 2007 12:02PM
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.jc.
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yeah a few millimetr pad is not gonna do much when you are jumping of a 20ft cliff
Oct 8 2007 1:03PM
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Love_Wins.
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Haha, I chuckled at this one.
Oct 8 2007 1:53PM
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argo801
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I might send an email to the place you bought them and make sure that thats not affect the warranty or anything.
Oct 8 2007 2:13PM
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alaskakid
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Kinda a noobish question, but having the look px12 jibs (green shock pad) could I just ask my shop to not put them on when mounting  it on my skis? Is their more harm done having them on than good? thanks guys i'm not an expert in bindings
Oct 8 2007 2:53PM
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zackblain
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true  
Oct 8 2007 3:09PM
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Love_Wins.
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Yeah, but they'll have to get shorter screws or grind yours down.
Oct 8 2007 3:10PM
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BenJAMIN4aWhil3
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the dumb asses at getboards sent my scratch 120's to me with only the risers for the toe pieces. When I sent them an email saying like hey wanna send me the ones that go to the heal pieces they were like They only go on the toes thats the way they are supposed to be. I just figured that they are so stupid that I cant even deal with them after that.. im just gunna have them mounted with no risers and have the shop used shorter screws.
Oct 8 2007 5:45PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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wow.  fight that please.
that site sucks and nothing will likely come of it, but maybe yours will be the email that breaks this cycle of stupidity.
Oct 9 2007 12:59AM
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LC.
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Measure your toe and heel heights like they are just now. Rossi/Look have quite a lot of ramp to them so with toe risers only it might balance it out a bit, which COULD be good if you ski park. If they toe is higher than the heel though they'll ski weird. Get the heel lifters and you can add them in if you want.
Oct 9 2007 8:17AM
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biG_EaSt
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the screws could go straight trough the base or rip out
Oct 11 2007 10:27PM
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Ghost82nd
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ok so similar question relating to bindings. i had boulder ski deals mount my prophets without the lifters on my p12s. but when they did it they must have left one screw a little too long and theres a bump on my bases where the screw is pushing out the base.
what do you think i could request if i go talk to them about it. if i hit anything on that part of my base the screw could push through so that pretty much fucked my skis.  any thoughts on it?
Oct 13 2007 12:29AM
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Love_Wins.
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why mount prophets without lifters?  on a ski that fat seems like you'd want to leave them on.
Oct 13 2007 2:47AM
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80*s4eva
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either you're retarded, you're being funny, or some ski shop ripped you off...

i'm guessing you got ripped off
Oct 13 2007 11:24AM
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Ghost82nd
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i just dont need the lifters on there. i like being down close to the ski
Oct 13 2007 5:28PM
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