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IcePointa
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Watch and discuss


There's a thread about it in the media section but no one ever goes in there..

https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/310400/
Sep 16 2007 11:03PM
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skiierman
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Well the scary part is that Canada is willing to go along with it. It's a very, very real possibility that it's going to happen.
Sep 17 2007 2:17PM
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Quinny
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I am of the opinion that national boundaries will eventually be blurred by business and economics anyway.
Sep 17 2007 2:20PM
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MLB
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fuck that shit, im a french canadian.....Always have been, always will be. Im not american, i will never be american, and i will not be assimillated into a bullshit american nation/culture. Believe me, there alot more canadians who think this way.
Sep 17 2007 2:54PM
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Quinny
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Who says you would have to compromise your culture? And nationality shouldn't matter. The whole group benefits when everything works as a single economic unit. Its more productive and prosperous.
Sep 17 2007 2:58PM
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mellifluous
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I agree with the first part of it about Christian religion but I'm not so sure about the 9/11 part and I didn't really pay attention to the third part....
Sep 17 2007 4:57PM
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2+2=5
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its already happening, it was in the globe and mail a few weeks ago, i remember reading it on a plane. i was bored, but interested.
Sep 17 2007 5:04PM
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IcePointa
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We pay interest on the national debt every year..

Here's a nice diagram of the federal budget

http://thebudgetgraph.com/site/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1

Over half of the discretionary budget has gone to the military for the past 3 years.
Sep 17 2007 5:14PM
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Static
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there are not alot of canadians period, 33,xxx,xxx people live in canada, compared to the usa's 302,XXX,XXX, and mexicos 108,xxx,xxx.
Sep 17 2007 5:17PM
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Potatoes
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HIPPIES
Sep 17 2007 5:20PM
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MLB
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it doesn't matter, i don't want to amalgamate with the states. Its like having your fat, ugly, manipulative, controling brother move in and take all your stuff. fuck that shit. I like my canadian three party government, i like my canadian dollar, i like my canadian resources going to canadian people. I like my canadian jobs going to canadian people. I like my heritage, and i don't want american history to become my history. Canada is a COUNTRY, not the 51st state. I will fight that shit to the bitter end, and im sure that im not the only person who thinks that way.
Sep 17 2007 5:23PM
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Quinny
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Can you give me something with a dot gov? A third party evaluation of a budget request doesn't do it for me.
Sep 17 2007 5:26PM
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IcePointa
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/defense.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/tables.html

This isn't exactly secret information
Sep 17 2007 5:29PM
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IcePointa
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Awesome, the department of defense and homeland security allotments of the discretionary budget are slated to rise through 2010, while other areas remain stagnent. Take into account inflation and they're actually going down!

Sounds super duper!
Sep 17 2007 5:33PM
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Quinny
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Who said anything about secret information? Is it really too much to ask for a primary source rather than some backwater website that sells posters?

And the example your using doesn't even consider the whole picture. Discretionary expenditures on defense are still greatly outweighed buy the rest of the budget. In fact, its not even a third of other expenditures and the mandatory budget. Try again.
Sep 17 2007 5:44PM
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t-roy
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hey now, look at europe and how they are workin with the euro. they are all still their own countries.
Sep 17 2007 5:54PM
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IcePointa
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You can do your own fact checking if you don't believe a statement.

And if you don't see a problem with spending over 10 times our education budget on the military and more than the combined military budgets of the biggest 14 militaries in the world, then I can't help you there. This 500 billion dollars doesn't even include the wars in Iraq of Afghanistan, as they are paid through "extra-budgetary supplements".

It just says something about your priorities.
Sep 17 2007 6:06PM
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Quinny
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Granted I may not completely agree with the government's allocation of financial resources, but you need understand that one tank costs more than one million text books.
Sep 17 2007 7:04PM
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MLB
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its cause the the european union was just rejected by everybody. The french still use francs, the brits still use pounds.....i could go on. The north american union wants to to more then just change are money into the stupidest shit ever. They want to amalgamate our borders.
Sep 17 2007 7:48PM
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flyinghighagain
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yah if all our money ends up the same colour i'll be hella confused buying munchies when i'm baked and i'll have to watch out so the quickemart doucher wouldn't try and rip me off
Sep 17 2007 7:53PM
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t-roy
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ahhh i didn't know just how much amalgamation they were thinking of doing. i'm not to worried about anything though. if it happens it happens and we'll deal with it in our own ways. i'll be a little bummed though because i kind of want to move to canada after college to escape the states. maybe in a few years i'll have to leave the continent.
Sep 17 2007 7:53PM
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Tinga
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i find this movie very rude to those that lost loved ones in any of these attacks in the events mentioned.

so my question is if the government is capable of all that this movie says it is why would they let this movie exist? well if i was thinking like they do i'd say it was implicated by the government to make the american people trust no one but themselves so we'd have another war so those big guys could profit and then have the whole world join in this war and then through some treaty that none of the world knows about join us all together in one government to rule the world.

then comes the religion. im a christian and will remain one after seeing this movie. i think that god has created all those coincidences so that there basically is one world religion. we didnt make a mistake forming our religions just that we formed different ones and are too stupid to see that we all believe the same thing. like my friend says i believe in god not religion.

i also respect the people that made this movie it was very well put together and heavily convincing to those of us "that are poorly educated by our government". i realize that this video must have taken a lot of work for this i applaud them.

"ignorance is bliss but suspicion is hell." -Jon Portinga. all this movie has done is create suspicion that will all lead us apart from eachother. so what if our government is trying to fuck us over? there are so many more things in this world that we find happiness in. these little things are those things that cannot be stolen from us by the government. the feeling of putting your feet that have been cramped in hot running shoes for a workout under a car foot vent with the ac on. the feeling of cold air in your lungs after a long hot summer. the feeling of snowflakes pelting you in the face. live your life and enjoy it.
Sep 17 2007 8:06PM
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t-roy
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well said.

watching the video made me think a lot, but it isn't changing how i live my life.
Sep 17 2007 8:11PM
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mtbakerteacher
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That is my complaint with the movie as well. It is just propaganda, and it doesn't tell you how you could help.

That said, I agree strongly with the third section, the first and second, while interesting, weren't near as important as the third. Despite all our debating, there are people out there trying to screw us over, and if this particular one is true, why not try to stop it? Why not just make sure we won't have a big brother situation?
It's important to remain proactive and try to better our world, instead of just denying the possible facts.
Sep 17 2007 8:43PM
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Static
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How is asking questions and pointing out obvious correlations rude? I think the opposite is rude, just accepting a half assed explaination filled with holes.

Your question "if the government is capable of all that this movie says it is why would they let this movie exist?".... The hands of power arn't all seeing like your "Gods", also unlike the dude in the sky they get shit done, for better or for worse. Do you think the government is monitoring everything everyonee does. You think the United States government controls the almighty internet?

Feel proud in knowing how strong your faith is, that after watching a movie on the internet, you didn't leave the flock. BTW, did your parents set you up with the right political party affiliations aswell?

I'm sure the people who made the movie really apprecite your understanding of how much time and effot they put into making it. Even though you type as if you're above the uneducated people "falling" for the movie. It's unfortunate they wern't more convncing beacuse it's people like you that need to open up to ideas and hypothesis.

The crazyest thing you said was "So what if our government is trying to fuck us over?" I don't think that warrants a response.




Sep 17 2007 8:51PM
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IcePointa
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The only certain way that this movie has really changed my life is that I don't think I'm ever going to file income taxes...

But I hope that the movie makes it clear that killing in the name of God/Allah/USA/Islam is all really the same thing. People getting tricked into harming themselves and their fellow man.

Look at all the poor souls that radical Islam has convinced to blow themselves up so that they can have a "special reward" in the "after-life".

Look at all the soldiers in our country who've been duped into going into an unjust war, many of them because they're poor/uneducated (not all of them obviously) and this is the best way for them to make money. The closest thing to slavery we have nowadays. You're stuck for years.

I think John Lennon might have said it better than I could..

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Sep 17 2007 9:29PM
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Tinga
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hey now i wasnt trying to get personal. however a movie this controversial and offensive would have been noticed by the government. and im sure they would be able to shut it down by the least. and my political views are very different from my parents. and i do have an open mind i agree with most of the stuff said in the first part of the movie. my father happens to be a pastor and yes i was grown up in a strong lutheran church however does a strong lutheran believe there is no hell? im not some human without my own ideas. ive been educated in the bible. never underestimate what sunday school can do for a boy with half an attention span.

and its not people like me that they need to convince. in fact no ones needs to be convinced. everyone should come up with their own ideas without it all being presented at once in a very biased way.

and another thing its people like you that are always striving for more that get us into trouble. why cant you just be happy with what you fucking have. if youre never happy with what you have then youll never be happy. so am i the dumb one for enjoying my life that i have come to understand and believe? and ill still believe that i am happy with what i have after you come back and tell me how wrong i am.

Sep 17 2007 9:38PM
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davar6
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looks intense
Sep 17 2007 9:50PM
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IcePointa
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The author of this movie is annonomous, and if he really believes what he's talking about, I doubt he would have the host server in the US anyway..

If the Government went around shutting down high profile conspiracy sites, wouldn't that just confirm much of what they claim?

Besides, this type of thinking is much too widespread to silence at this point. Mos Def was n the Bill Maher show saying that 911 was an inside job. Think a swat team is just gonna pull up and yank him off the show?

The internet is a beautiful thing, and while we have the freedom to exchange ideas here, there's so much good we can do.

Things like the patriot act are threating the freedom you have on the internet even. The government can require your ISP to give records of your entire browsing history, and your ISP IS NOT ALLOWED to tell you that your records are being monitored. It's things like this that are gradually threatening the freedom we're supposed to have as individuals.

And what do you mean, that we're striving for things that are going to get us into trouble?
Sep 17 2007 10:10PM
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jayamait
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this is a never ending debate, for we have only scratched the surface of what might really be going on. therefore only giving us the potential for theories such as this movie and its sources.
Sep 17 2007 10:12PM
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Tinga
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ok fine you guys win
Sep 17 2007 10:13PM
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IcePointa
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You make a good point in that people shouldn't just take this movie enirely as truth, and that they should really think for themselves. Some people just really never question what the establishments tell them, and a movie like this can at least get them to think about the things they are told before they accept them as truth.

Some parts are pretty out there but I believe that most of it is at least pretty dam likely.

DON'T LET THE GOVERNMENT TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED OF THE BOOGY MAN THAT THEY HAVE EMBRACED.

Just like the catholic church has claimed that you need to give them money so that you don't burn in a firey underworld called hell for time immortal, our government is telling us that we need to give them our freedom so that they can protect us from terrorists or we're all going to die. THIS IS A SCAM. RESIST THIS EFFORT AND STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS.
Sep 17 2007 10:26PM
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mtbakerteacher
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I'll say something religious to that! "Amen."

For those of you who know anything about the ideals of our founding fathers, minus people like Hamilton and the Federalists, you should all base your political views on their freedom oriented beliefs. I don't care what you believe fiscally, but dammit, if you can vote, don't you dare demand things like the microchip, or allow things like the Patriot act.
Sep 17 2007 10:54PM
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Tinga
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i agree with this. i think the patriot act is ridiculous because all the rights that theyre breaking of the innocent compared to that of the guilty can be no where near where it needs to be to actually be credible.

you know the school house rock where they see the bill of rights and he's all beaten up? yeah thats what we got going on here.
Sep 17 2007 11:36PM
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Static
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you already said "so what if our government is trying to fuck us over".... I don't see how you can still consider your opnion valid.
Sep 17 2007 11:55PM
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mtbakerteacher
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Oh be nice, he has changed his viewpoint, which is good when arguing our case.
Sep 18 2007 12:34AM
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Kungris
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If your going to get anything from this movie it's to just THINK FOR YOURSELF, be a sceptic until proven wrong that's the real message. You don't even have to believe the movie as long as your thinking based on facts.
Sep 19 2007 1:23AM
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Static
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well put
Sep 19 2007 1:59AM
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skisebski
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crazy movie.
Oct 11 2007 12:39AM
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sdfjklioeur
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i just watched it. 
great movie
Dec 10 2007 6:06PM
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thelazyboy
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I mean if you look at the facts of only the last few years the us is doing some highly reprehensible stuff. I mean after 9/11 they declared an all out war on terror. our grand-parents had the nazis our parents had the commies. we needed and enemy too for our society to work. Only problem is our enemy killed about 3000 people 5 FUCKING YEARS AGO. they used that small thing (yes I do feel bad for the families but this is the event that will probably mark us the most in our lifetime and 3000 people is nothing compared to the genocides and other atrocities the humans have perpetrated in their long history of destruction) to finance all their wars. never found any weapons of mass destruction or anything like that. No one of actual importance linked to terrorism has been arrested and convicted with something of importance. the us is literraly fighting a ghost (zeitgeist where the title of the movie comes from terrorism is a ghost we made to consume time and money) now they are planning on attacking Iran for no apparent reason. They dont even need to give us excuses anymore they are just conquering oil rich countries. their lies are becoming more and more blatant and we are just being fed all their bullshit of  a power hungry government .


just my two-cents I didnt use wikipedia to debunk anything in that movie just the basic facts that can be witnessed namely that so far your war on terror has not yielded to very concrete results and for christ's sake it still costs me a lot to put gas in my car
Dec 10 2007 6:36PM
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snowforblood
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"It isn't expensive at all, its cheap! They have to build an oil rig, float it out to sea, dig a hole, with nothing in it, dig another, then another, then you get oil, then you gotta put it on a ship, float it half way around the world, to another country, put it in a refinery, which is the size of a small county, turn it into petrol, ship it to a garage, put it into a flame-proof tank and then sell it to the customer, and they are doing all this for a pound (English) a liter."
 - Jeremy Clarkson on gas prices

and he is right, because in comparison there are numerous mineral water companies that are selling their products for more money at less volume (Fiji), and even more bizarre but also interesting, bull semen costs a whopping 24,000 pounds a liter.
Dec 10 2007 9:02PM
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mtbakerteacher
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I guess I'm gonna have to get into bull semen dealing.
Dec 10 2007 9:16PM
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snowforblood
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Ya damn right! Talk about lucrative...
Dec 10 2007 9:17PM
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NH_LiNe
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What they fail to mention in the movie is that The Bible is the most historically accurate and most documented text that this world has ever seen. They also fail to mention all of the prophecies that have been fulfilled in The Bible. Along with this information thousands and thousands of people witnessed Jesus Christ while he was on earth and not one of them wrote anything that disproved or conflicted with any of the miracles Christ did. Finally millions of Christians feel and experience The Holy spirit everyday and have their testimonies to share with anyone who asks. Understand that some aspects of Christianity can and surely will be debated but we our saved only by our faith, believing whole heartedly that Jesus Christ died on the cross to forgive our sins and through this faith our old sinful nature dies on the cross with Him. Understanding and believing in Jesus goes way beyond any words all I can say is that He fills you with more love and hope than anything this sinful and corrupt world has to offer.

If you have any questions about what I wrote send me a message I'm more than willing to send you numerous sources proving my statements.

Also I've talked to tons of people who have watched the movie and immediately want to believe everything it says because they would rather ignore the truth of The Bible because many of them feel by believing the word of God their lives will have to change drastically, which is very true. However once you start to live the life Christ wants you to live you start to understand that its changing for the better rather than the worse.

In Christ,
-Nate
Dec 10 2007 9:37PM
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BrokenBones
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Do you believe everything in the bible as fact?  Do you live your life exactly as preached throughout the bible?
Dec 10 2007 9:48PM
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NH_LiNe
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Hey BrokenBones,

Yes I do believe that everything in the Bible is a fact and that it is the true word of God. I try my best to live my life as the Bible is preached however I am imperfect I make many mistakes just as every other Christian or human being makes mistakes, if any other person or Christian tells you that they no longer make mistakes then they are with out a doubt telling you a lie. As far as myself goes I've been the druggy, the thief, the vandal etc etc I've been down that road and I'm tempted daily to go back to that life style. That is why Jesus died for us to forgive those sins and to help us realize that their is a bigger purpose, a true meaning to life.


Dec 10 2007 10:07PM
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magic_steve
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i find it funny that they use B.C. as in BEFORE CHRIST. silly gooses.
Dec 10 2007 10:11PM
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BrokenBones
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So do you agree that owning slaves is ok, as long as their from another country?
Dec 10 2007 10:12PM
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gmack24
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The "documented miracles" in the bible are scientific impossibilities. Turning bread into fish or whatever else is preached is just unfeasible. Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE on the the planet we live on. Theres really no argument there, and if you believe it, well, wow.
Dec 10 2007 10:13PM
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BrokenBones
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Thats really not a very effective way to refute his argument...
Dec 10 2007 10:16PM
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