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Hellbent vs. EHP

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jfk1700
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Hey, my name is Jack and I am new to the boards. I was just wondering if anyone has ridden the 08 hellbent's or the 190 4frnt EHP's. If so, how do they compare?
Sep 14 2007 8:23PM
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Matty_C
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dude, i haven't ridden either, but tjose are two totally different types of ski. hellbents are soft bc freestyle buttery things, ehps are built to charge big mountain...
Sep 14 2007 8:28PM
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jfk1700
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yeah i know i am sorry i forgot to specify. I want a fat powder ski for chargin powder and hitting some backcountry booters. So basically, my question was, which would be a better fit.
Sep 14 2007 8:44PM
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inaba116
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I think you would be fine on Hellbents b/c they are more versatile and also look at Line EP Pros.
Sep 14 2007 8:52PM
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funk.
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i wouldn't go with EP pros cause you want a charging ski. ep's are too soft for that. think about the Moment Ones. they are a stiff ski at 196 length and 105 underfoot. perfect for charging.
Sep 14 2007 9:03PM
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Love_Wins.
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ANT
Sep 14 2007 9:05PM
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jfk1700
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yeah, the thing that attracted me to the hellbents was the rocker and their versitality. The true twin tip is also pretty cool.
Sep 14 2007 9:08PM
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ski_powpow
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EHP = big mountain crushing, hellbent= backcountry freestyle
Sep 14 2007 9:12PM
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jfk1700
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yeah i guess i am looking for more of a backcountry freestyle ski with enough versitality to charge in the pow and hit some drops...so in that case the hellbent seems like a better fit.
Sep 14 2007 9:15PM
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RudyGarmisch
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EPH's are made by 4FRNT, you're talking about EP Pro's made by Line. He's asking about Hellbents versus the EPH, which would be a great charging ski.
Sep 14 2007 9:21PM
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Public_Maverick
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he said charging powder, not vertical faces
Sep 14 2007 9:21PM
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Luc.
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if u are lookin for a chargin ski. EHP or look at the ANT from armada.

of u want a ski that u are going to be able to do more freestyle powdery shit. like 180 over pillows and shit...then hellbents.
Sep 14 2007 9:24PM
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funk.
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^^ sorry should have quoted the buy above me who was suggesting the EP pros

^ and hahaha i like that one. but seriously they can put a big mountain press on it. its got tip rocker and the tails cambered so when you lean on it, it rocks
Sep 14 2007 9:24PM
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funk.
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and that should have been ^^^ and ^^
Sep 14 2007 9:24PM
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Love_Wins.
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BC Freestyle:
Bacon
EP Pro
Hellbent
Made'n
JP vs. Julien
Live Life 2

There's probably more I'm not thinking of...
Sep 14 2007 9:25PM
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Public_Maverick
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would the steeze be in the same category as hellbent and ep pro?
Sep 14 2007 9:26PM
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SirFryanator
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sort of, but it's quite a bit stiffer than the hellbent and you do see people rockin em in BC freeride comps.

for the thread starter: go for the EHP.
Sep 14 2007 9:29PM
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jfk1700
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so i guess the general consensus i get is the hellbents for BC freestyle/powder. And to be more specific, I live in boulder, co so I am not looking for anything too extreme in terms of skiing verticle faces...just more backcountry powder, trees, pillows, and booters. Thats why, like I expected, the hellbents would be a better fit. So correct me if I am wrong, or if anyone else has any other suggestions. Thanks!
Sep 14 2007 9:47PM
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cobra_commander
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4Frnt VCT. 
Line Prophet 100.
K2 Seth.

Sep 14 2007 11:14PM
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Pwn.Mode
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JJ's. aka jp vs julien
Sep 14 2007 11:42PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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u have some ants in good condision, hit me up they are a perfect pow/charging ski
Sep 15 2007 12:27AM
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grambo
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Why are people saying the Hellbent is versatile? Have any of you skied it? I just don't see how such a wide ski with huge rock and soft flex is versatile (implying it performs well on harder snow/mank/ice). I'd be surprised if it's better than a conventional ski at anything but pow.

That said, if you live in Boulder and plan to use this in the BC/building jumps, you will be happy.

I have ANTs I use for everyday ski, they have a nice charger feel to them (you can bomb choppy crud and float/plow through it) that I wouldn't trade for anything (for a resort ski).
Sep 16 2007 7:04AM
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LC.
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Two guys from my shop skied them in the summer. They said they were surprisingly good on soft groomers, and a lot of fun. Obviously they're not going to be AS good as a conventional ski but they were a big surprise.
Sep 16 2007 9:22AM
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jfk1700
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yeah, like I said, I was looking for mainly a BC ski...so performance on groomers is not too important, but don't get me wrong it would be nice to have a ski that can perform well in both, but my main focus for this type of ski will def. be BC powder/freestyle skiing.
Sep 16 2007 12:39PM
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ski_powpow
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it is mainly a BC ski you have like 100cm give or take of running surface thats like skiing on a kids ski on the groomers but than in the pow it shines of course
Sep 16 2007 12:45PM
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jfk1700
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and you are referring to the EP pro right?
Sep 16 2007 2:31PM
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.jon
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VCT's if youre hitting bc booters
Sep 16 2007 4:20PM
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PacificRimJob
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both are "try before you buy" kind of skis.

The EP pros are kinda specific to powder to.. they are going to suck it on the groomies for the most part, and there is a high chance that you wont be able to slay with them. Just because they are Pollards skis doesnt mean you're pollard or will ever be able to use them like him (remember, this is the guy who rides Lizzies for park skiing.. he likes his skis stupid ass huge)

The Hellbents are gonig to be a lot more forgiving on groomies, and a lot better early season. The rocker system is so sick, and allows your ski to feel like a much smaller ski on groomers and still keep stability. Still, some people cannot use them to to their advantage and would perform better on something a little bit more stable.

I personally say dont get either unless your going to be churning a lot of powder...

If you want something more all around, go for the Rossi Brigades, the Line Prophet 100, or the K2 Seths. You'll be a lot happier.
Sep 19 2007 8:01AM
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Matty_C
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dude, 4FRNT EHPS EHPS EHPS EHPS!!!!!

read the thread man, not fuckin ep pros k?
Sep 19 2007 9:03AM
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PacificRimJob
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whoa lmao. I'm a retard.

I thought it said EP.. not EHP.

Well in that case, the EHP is going to be a huuge step for some guys... and in each length there are significant differances. The big 190 or 191 length (I forget exactly) is going to be wiiicked huge for some guys, and simply will not be a ski worth having on days that dont include at least a few new inches. They will be more for linebackers or... well.. EHP himself. The 186 is more like what most people on here would use, and its a lot more forgiving and stuff, but its not necessarily going to be as floaty as something like the hellbent. It might carve groomers the same, but depending on who you are, how you ski, etc.. you should still try before you buy.
Sep 19 2007 9:31AM
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Love_Wins.
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After reading more, I'd say JP vs. Julien...it's light, not super fat, but definitely fat enough...basically it's perfect for everything this guy want to use it for: Trees, BC booters, pillows, etc.

That's your ski man.
Sep 19 2007 1:13PM
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MarkieR
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dude what are you talking about?  the 190 ehp isn't for linebackers.  and the 186 isn't forgiving and fun for most people.  the 190 is the only length of that ski that isn't wild.  the 193 is straight as fuck, no camber, stiff, flat tailed.  the 186 has wild dimensions too, and is designed for mainly for tight situations involving fresh snow.  the 190 has regular camber, regular dimensions, and a twin tip.  so that's the most user friendly of the trio. 

in response to dude who made the thread...  i've skied both the 190 ehp and the hellbent.  while the hellbents are fun and whatnot, i would never get them.  they're too soft and wobbly to ever be fun charging in the bc.  if you want a ski for bc freestyle and pow skiing, i'd not look at either of these skis.  check out some armada ants (i own a pair) or jj's if you want something a little softer.  both of those skis are great for the deep, great for charging (the ant a little bit more so), and great for bc jumps (the jj a little bit more so).  you're going to be considerably happier if you go that route.
Sep 19 2007 2:07PM
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PacificRimJob
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eh.. iono... anyones a linebacker compared to me. I'm fucking flyweight. therefore, they were a bit to much for me haha.
Sep 19 2007 2:11PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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Are you calling Eric Hjorleifson a line backer?

Heres a break down of the EHP:

193cm: no camber, early rise tip, excellent in pow, not responsive on hard snow. perfect for big fall lines and consistent pow. i.e. cat, heli, sledding, etc. NOT A TWIN.

190cm: twin tip, normal camber, stiff, excellent big mountain resort ski. Like the Armada ANT but heavier. It also has a stiffer tail.

186cm: Same construction as the 193cm, little to no camber, early rise tip and a slender tail. Definitely more resort friendly then the 193cm, it still isnt a true twin. Great in deep snow, easy to turn, good for technical lines, with lots of obsticles to avoid. mediocre on hard pack.

Sep 19 2007 2:12PM
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PacificRimJob
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You also gotta remember.. EH is amazing... and he can handle sticks that long. If you dont know what youre doing on them, you can be in for it bro.

still.. i'm making my statements off of my personal experience with the skis... and thats probably just misconstrued for they are not really the right skis for me. I just dont weigh enough or something (seriously.. I weigh like nothin)
Sep 19 2007 2:15PM
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J.D.
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The 190 EHP is probably more what you're looking for out of those two. There are other options, however. Hell, new ANTs are a good call.
Sep 19 2007 2:29PM
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I_liketobutter
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prophet 100, 130?? both great skis

id say jj's over ants too. jj's are a lil more "bc freestyle" than the ants.
Sep 19 2007 4:31PM
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wrenegade
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Thank You. At least someone has a brain on here. In addition to the Armadas that were mentioned, your original choice of the 190 EHP would be a good ski, so would the new 189 VCT. Also the 185 Scratch Steeze (despite its name and graphics) and the 182 Sir Francis Bacon and some older 189 Made'ns/AK Enemys. Unless you plan on having 2 or 3 pairs of skis (or your name is Andy Marhe) DO NOT buy hellbents. There are only a handfull of people here who have actually ridden them and most of these kids don't know shit.
Sep 19 2007 5:08PM
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wrenegade
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Uhhh, 186 easy to turn? I hope you mean in pow, cause if not I want some of what you're smoking. It's got a 40m turning radius, ridiculously straight, almost as straight as the 193.
Sep 19 2007 5:13PM
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jfk1700
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on that note, and judging by the input you guys gave me, the sir francis bacon, ant's, and jj's all look really appealing. I really like the look of the bacon's, has anyone skied them?
Sep 19 2007 7:12PM
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canuck
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the JJ's are pretty straight too and they are easy to turn.
Sep 19 2007 8:20PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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yes i did mean deep snow.
Sep 20 2007 12:58PM
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wrenegade
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fair enough.

And the JPs are easy to turn in the soft stuff as well, but once they get on hardpack they really only like super-g style turns, which is usually fine cause I like to rip, but something with a little more edge hold would be nicer on ice.
Sep 20 2007 1:54PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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thats like comparing apples to small house cats.
Sep 20 2007 3:19PM
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bemmis
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moment ruby sounds like the ski for you.
Sep 20 2007 8:51PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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hahahaha. too true. but really when you think hard you can make some comparisons between apples and small house cats. it all depends on the type of apple and the type of house cat.
Sep 21 2007 12:09AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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ugh, i knew it.
Sep 21 2007 12:12AM
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