Lee Lau's ultimate guide to buying your first pair, or your fifth, of ski touring boots for quick skips out of bounds to multi-day epic ascents and descents.
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uosdwiSrjewoH$I'm gonna ask for some opinions on my boots, because I can't really decide. I've got last years hot doggers in a 26.0, and it's pretty much a race fit. 1/2" max behind the heel in a shell fit, toes can't quite flatten out unless i'm flexing pretty good after heat moulding the liners and skiing on them for a season. So basically this is a complete precision fit. I got great reaction out of the boot in trees and at speed, but if i fucked up a landing the toebang was pretty intense. now, since i'm the only freeskier at my store and we've got a pretty sizeable freeski section, i've got a hookup for some boots, so i can get this year's doggers for pretty much nothing. does anyone think i should upsize to the new boots (27.0)? I ski aggressively, but i'm not a racer, and i can't decide if i really need this intense fit.Since you can get them on a deal, why not try it? Going to the next shell size up will give you a standard shell fit, so it's not going to be problematic. But whether or not you will personally like it is something we can't answer... For me, I can only ski a half inch shell fit- normal one inch shell fit feels huge on me. But that's my personal preference and when it comes down to half or full inch shell fit, it will be preference in the end.
NinetyFourYeah so wearing my boots around the house it's only the right foot that can lift outta the heel abit. The other boot fits extremely tight and will fit fantastic when packed out. I can only liftt the heel when I try to lift it and push up. Any suggestions as what to do to get rid of this?It is fine. Just go ski. I can lift my heel (when pushing it up) in all my boots.
NinetyFourYeah so wearing my boots around the house it's only the right foot that can lift outta the heel abit. The other boot fits extremely tight and will fit fantastic when packed out. I can only liftt the heel when I try to lift it and push up. Any suggestions as what to do to get rid of this?Generally speaking, if you are not racing you want to size your boots to your big foot and then your boot-fitter can take up excess room in the larger fitting boot with pads and shims. What you are describing sounds pretty normal. Feet are always more flexible than rigid hunks of plastic called ski boots- meaning that your foot will move before the boot does. Obviously you want to minimize the amount of movement going on, but if you really try to lift your heel up, it will lift. Under normal flexing around, your heel should still be locked down.
Very Nice and helpfull guide.
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steve.fanAm I crazy to consider buying boots online? They have a reallly detailed sizing chart and a friend has these boots in another size and loves them. Anyone know a good shop to do this at?Yes. With several different boots on the market, each one provides its own unique fit. You need to physically try boots on until you find one that fits well, otherwise, you could severly damage your feet. That sounds extreme, but I've seen many claims of it on here, and other sites.
mondosHi 2 all, After I came home from ski-shop, I have found that my perfect fitted Fischer X-100 are actually freeski boots and as I am not even close to freeskier (I ski on piste only) and as I have ELAN Amphibio 12 skis which are for harpacked snow carving, I am asking myself did I buy too soft boots? I am average skier, I weight 205 pounds and I am high 6.1 feet. BR, MondosThere is nothing about those boot that is freeski specific, only the marketing you read on their website.
rachI disagree with a lot of this. Asking for a customers shoe size can be helpful when you're looking to decide whether they will prefer a performance fit or something a little more on the comfort side.But in my experience, most people wear either the wrong shoe size or at the very least their street shoe size does not correspond to a shell fit- which is always the ultimate determining factor with how to fit ski boots. You can always start with a shoe size or a Brannock device, but you never know how the boot will fit until you see how their specific foot interacts with the shell. And this shell fit should be done for length and width and dependent on the skier's expectations of comfort vs performance while never going large enough to create a sloppy fit.
Skiingsnow$$im currently in second hand krpton rampage shells form about 3 seasons ago and the guy i bought em off had them punched out in places i dont need with my old salomon shogun liners. the fit is perfect but they are a getting packed out now (liners have about 300 days in em) and they are a bit soft. i am getting my tax return soon so i have some spare cash Do it just buy new intuition liners or should i get the krypon pro? ( i assume they fit exactly the same and i want a stiffer boot) also dont bootfitter me, i will be getting these from fanatyko in whistler im just not sure if theres a point only getting new liners coz the shells arent in the best condition, and im in ski boots 8am - 5pm like 9 months a yearYour shells are probably on the their last leg.. Are the toes and heels worn down at all?
onenerdykidYour shells are probably on the their last leg.. Are the toes and heels worn down at all? Honestly, with that many days on the boot, the plastic is pretty stressed. If you drop $200 on a new liner and the shell cracks later that season, you'll be kicking yourself.yeah ok thanks. will look into new boots when i get to whistler then
garagelyi´ve got the dalbello krypton rampage, and they bring different things to customize your boot. Regarding the forward lean control i can choose between two "wedges", whats better for park skiing? more forward inclination or more upright stance?More or less forward lean comes down to what fits you best and what feels more comfortable, not so much what kind of skiing you do. For example, Jossi skis a boot with lots of forward lean, while Andreas skis a boot with less. Similar skiers, different preferences. Ride which one feels best to you, not what someone thinks is more park or all mountain.
onenerdykidMore or less forward lean comes down to what fits you best and what feels more comfortable, not so much what kind of skiing you do. For example, Jossi skis a boot with lots of forward lean, while Andreas skis a boot with less. Similar skiers, different preferences. Ride which one feels best to you, not what someone thinks is more park or all mountain.Thanks!
onenerdykid^go back to your shop and ask what their fit guarantee policy is (they should have one or something like in place). They should be able to take the boot back and get you in the right width or if it is just a small area, modify the shell so it fits your foot exactly. Having the the right footbed for your foot is totally crucial, make sure that is figured out too. So, 1. Proper footbed, 2. Proper boot / shell modification.Thanks man! I'll definitely check on their guarantee policy too. I'm going up there first thing tomorrow morning so hopefully I can ski in the afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes.
sskierhey guys.So I bought my FullTilt drop kicks a few weeks ago and at the shop they felt great.My toes just touched the end in the 27.5 and they were super comfy so I got them heat molded then I have been riding them for a few weeks with no trouble at all and today I went out and first run I did a 360 over a little jump and over shot and I got some shin bang which was the worst shin bang I had ever had in these boots but I was fine after.Then the same thing happened but I got some of the worst shin bang I have ever had with any boot I have owned.So I went in the chalet and took my boots off and the left liner feels really hard on the front where the pain came from.Any one know what I should do?My heels can lift up a bit less than a cm in the boot but that's really the only loose part of the boot that I have found.I really don't know what to do I am pretty bummed out after spending close to $500 on a pair of boots I thought were excellent and now are causing me pain.I have had this problem with my other boots before but I am really upset that it is happening with these boots considering I thought it was the end of shin bang and pain for me.I also got alot of pain on the back of my right leg.If any one can give me some suggestions that would be great.For starters, do you have footbeds? Not having footbeds will allow your ankle to rotate and therefore your shin will rotate into the front of that liner. That would be step one.
sskierhow much would a good foot bed cost?$60-200 depending on what your foot needs for support, which we cannot gauge over the interweb. Someone has to examine your foot & ankle structure then see what best works for you. Sometimes it will cost less, sometimes more but either way they are super important and you will see immediate improvement.
Justo8484two things to add to this: 1. custom footbeds. if you're looking into any sort of decent performance boot and your feet are done growing, look into custom footbeds. let me put it this way. say the foil boot fits you pretty well. in that case, so does the x wave 8. in most cases, you'd be better off spending less on the x wave 8 and using the money you saved on a custom footbed than getting the foil boot with no custom footbed. a good footbed will fully support your foot and keep everything in place, which means your foot is more comfortable in the boot, the boot performs better because there are less voids in the boot, and ultimately, you ski better because of this. 2. summer is not necessarily the best time to buy boots. if you find something on a super killer deal, then yeah, go for it. but during the summer, you've been in flip flops or barefoot for a few months, which makes your feet gnarly. by october or november, once you've been back in normal shoes, sneakers, whatever for a while, your feet have recovered from the abuse of having absolutely no arch support while wearing sandals or being barefoot. this means that if a boot fits your foot in the summer, it might not fit quite as comfortably during the winter. generally its not a huge difference for most people, but it could make the boot you thought was perfect in august a bit of a pain come december.So for custum footbeds, I've been thinking about getting Dr. Scholls or something like that, but are there specific skiboot footbeds I should look into, and if so, are they worth it over Dr. Scholls, etc. ? Thanks
PrudentiaSkiSo for custum footbeds, I've been thinking about getting Dr. Scholls or something like that, but are there specific skiboot footbeds I should look into, and if so, are they worth it over Dr. Scholls, etc. ? ThanksDr. Scholls' inserts are great for people who sit (or stand) at a desk all day. People who do stuff in real life get something that is actually helpful...
lyndonCanting is the adjustment of a boot inwards or outwards. Lets say you have knock-knees, they adjust the canting so your standing flat on your skis. (Looking straight on at their shin) Insead of you boots being like this "|", they can adjust it sideways to be like this "/" or like this "\". If i were you, I wouldnt mess around with it. Its something a pro-boot fitter needs to tackle.hey now, so what is "Knock-Knees"? I'm def interested in this as I'm thinking this is what I have...
Squashithey now, so what is "Knock-Knees"? I'm def interested in this as I'm thinking this is what I have...google dude.
cobra_commander$google dude.thank you for being resourceful... not sure if it was ski-jargon or some shit
nicolaise21Just wondering if anyone knows a boot that fits a really skinny calf? Is there a difference in brands? ThanksIt's more important to find a boot that fits your foot first, then have a boot-fitter modify/improve the fit of the liner in the calf area. A competent boot-fitter can custom shape foam pads and put them in strategic places on your liner to help remove the slop in the cuff of your boot.
onenerdykidIt's more important to find a boot that fits your foot first, then have a boot-fitter modify/improve the fit of the liner in the calf area. A competent boot-fitter can custom shape foam pads and put them in strategic places on your liner to help remove the slop in the cuff of your boot.Thanks man. The only problem is that we don´t have any competent boot-fitters where I live... :(
nicolaise21Thanks man. The only problem is that we don´t have any competent boot-fitters where I live... :(You might need to invest in a day to get it sorted out. If you have to spend 3+ hours in the car to get it done right, it will be well worth it. Or perhaps when you go on your next ski vacation, do it then. Definitely research the area and find out where the good shops are and who is the person to see at each shop. I'm sure people on here can point you in the right direction if you need help.
By : rozboon
Just thought I'd chuck this in here because I see quite a lot of threads about people with foot pain and when people suggest footbeds they're like "yeah, maybe I'll try some".
Pretty much everybody should get footbeds.
The reason for this is that most boots don't actually come with a proper insole. From my experience the higher-end the boot, the less of an insole it will come with. For those of you skiing decent boots without footbeds, go pull the insole out. I bet it's a flat piece of cardboardy fabric about 3mm thick. The manufacturers just chuck them in there so you have something to try the boot on with (if you don't take your footbeds to fittings). I guess they assume you'll get/have a proper insole anyway, if you're buying expensive boots.
The ones that come in the boots provide nil support for your arches so when you're putting pressure on your foot it becomes flatter, longer and wider. This is why your foot feels squashed from the sides or on the toes when you ski despite the fact that it felt great in the shop.
Likewise they have almost no heel cup so your foot can slop around in the back of the boot, reducing control and energy transfer.
In my opinion a good footbed is one of the best investments in your equipment you can make. You'll ski better and in more comfort. You may get away with some $10 replacement insoles from a shoe store but really you should be spending the money and getting a pair of custom molded ones. The difference is just unreal.
Footbeds are a bit of a dark art in bootfitting. The thorey for footbeds comes from podietry and this is not somthing your average ski bum boot fitter knows much about. It takes years to learn and is pretty complex. Because of this your proberbly going to be best looking for an experienced boot fitter with at least 5+ years making custom footbeds.
By : tomPietrowski
So I wanted to answer some common questions about footbeds.
What do Footbeds do?
Footbeds help support the arches of the foot, keeping the foot in a neutral postion and helps with impact cushioning. But what does any of that mean. Well lets start with your feet. An interesting thing I once heard about feet is, every day each foot takes 1,000,000lbs of force just from walking around. With that sort of force every single day, our feet need to be able to cushion impact effeicently. This is what the arches do. They act like suspesion for the foot. But if these arches are left unsurported, they some begin to strech with that much force every day. This is when feet begin to flaten and pronate.
A good footbed will suport the arches of the foot, and help them cope with the great forces involved with skiing. If your foot is unsurpoted, it can feel like your foot streches underneath, and this can cause cramp. The foot will genrally get longer underforce, which could push the twos into the front of the boot.
So if you park ski, a footbed will help support your foot when landing.
What is a neutral postion?
Its best to think of your boots when thinking about this. Boots flex in a fowards motion but not at all side to side. This means for your foot and leg to fit the best they have to match this, ie straight.
When your arches begin to drop or flaten genrally what happens is your foot begins to lean to the inside. This can make your foot apear wider then it actually is. This is called a pronated stance. A neutral stance is simply when the leg is straight. A footbed helps acheive this by suporting your arches to help the foot maintain this neutral stance.
What footbed should I get?
Really the only person who can answer this is someone asses your feet and stance. Unfortunatly this means Bootfitter.
What are the differnces between footbeds?
There are 3 main types of footbeds, below I will list the 3 and the pros and cons:
Trim To Fit
These are your most basic footbeds. They have a predifined shape, and are designed to go stright into boots.
Not custom to your foot
Limited selection of shapes
Trim to fits should be thought of as a minimum. They will be better then the stock insole but thats about it. You will always be better off with a full custom footbed.
Superfeet, Sidas, Sole
Custom Trim To fit
With these footbeds, a computer scans the pressures on the base of your foot, and selects a footbed shpae which best matches you from a data base. This shape is then sent to a milling machine, and a footbed is produced.
Better the Trim to fits
Easily replacable. Your foot is kept on record so a new footbed can easily be made.
Often very firm
Still not totally custom.
These footbeds are great for carving. They support the mid tarsel joint (back of the foot) very well, but not so much the front of the medial arch. This means in practice they have less impact protection compared to other custom options.
These will be your best options. They are usally cheaper the custom Trim to fits but more then standard trim to fits. There are also 2 types Weighted and Unweighted. The differnce is in teh production preocess. For weighted footbeds the footbed is produced when you are standing up. Unweighted are made when sat with no weight on the foot. In my opion weighted are better, you stand when skiing so its better to make the footbed standing, rather then sitting.
Totally customisiable, different flexes, different volumes, custom heel lifts, canting. Pretty much anything you need.
Foot can be postioned for optimal fit
More expensive then trim to fits
Need an experienced boot fitter to make them.
Overall if you can get a good weighted custom footbed, this will be your best bet. Get them when you get the boots fitted, it will give you the best fit from day one.
Sidas, Aline, Superfeet (avoid the superfeet korks if you can)
So thats about it for now, im sure i have missed out allot of things but hopefully this sheds some light on footbeds.
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