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What do you like about obama

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Eleven
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i want to hear some reasons so i dont alienate myself from this whole site.
Jul 26 2007 1:27AM
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troutbum
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check the Ron Paul thread, I posted a few reasons, as did JimmyChung.
Jul 26 2007 1:30AM
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Eleven
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yea i saw those
Jul 26 2007 1:30AM
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troutbum
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He's also an exceptional speaker and writer, which doesn't hurt.
Jul 26 2007 1:33AM
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j_run
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Being a republican I don't really like the guy but i do have to say he is well spoken and delivers his message
Jul 26 2007 1:34AM
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ThaLetterM.
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non politically speaking hes well put together and can connect well with audiences
Jul 26 2007 1:36AM
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troutbum
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I'll post what I posted in the Obama cult. I'm still torn between the state's rights stance of Ron Paul and the overall package of Obama (with the exception of him wanting to keep troops overseas), but here's a bit of what I posted:

In his book, Audacity of Hope, I found this overwhelming degree of rationalism and an incredible sense of reality that I found refreshing. He understands both sides of every issue, weighs them, and discusses why he chooses one over the other. I feel that having a president that takes the time, and has the ability, to understand both sides of an issue will unite America, instead of alienate those who are in the opposition. Plus, he's one hell of a speaker. If you haven't heard his keynote speech at the Dem Convention, take the time to watch it. It's incredible. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1561412502
Jul 26 2007 1:38AM
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TWoods
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I hope to hell he wins
Jul 26 2007 1:41AM
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jimmychung
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to sum it up as quickly as possible., i think he's the only candidate that can truly lead our country in a completely new and positive direction. i do agree with quite a few of other candidates opinions, including ron paul and others, but it's obama who can truly grasp my imagination as to what can be accomplished with some radical new ideas and commitment. major points of his that i agree with are universal health care, care for our veterans, pro-choice and stem cell research, more pay for teachers and public schools, civil unions for gays, and his willingness to meet with rogue leaders around the world for diplomatic reasons (as opposed to hilary clinton, who refuses to meet with certain leaders without preconditions).

plus, as said before, obama is a great and talented speaker and writer. his book, the audacity of hope, is excellently written and is a great read for everyone of all political interest. i went to see him speak in my local city, and he speaks very confidently and literally, and comes across as really knowing what he wants to accomplish and how he wants to accomplish it.

eleven, i'm sorry if i've been high-tempered with our debates in the past, i've been meaning to say that. debates like ours are very healthy and help us to define and question our opinions and beliefs.
Jul 26 2007 1:44AM
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laxstar
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i like how he has admitted the stuff he has done in his past by writing that book... how he said he did coke and how he apologised for that stuff so it wasn't some big shock on his campaign
Jul 26 2007 1:44AM
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Eleven
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ok so check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y48LMXKxJwc



its a short video of him talking about what he would do. it sounds great but if you actually look into him you would see he is two faced. he is saying "we can end this war" and getting a huge applause and thats great i want the war to end to but what about iran? from what I can tell he would go to war with iran. if he wouldnt why wouldnt he say it? he was asked about nuking iran in a debate a while back and he said he wouldnt take anything of the table. and even more recent he said he might consider missle attacks against pakistan. this man is not anti war. he voted for the patriot act but today he is talking like he didint help create all these problems. he would not get rid of the federal reserve and the income tax, it seems like common sense the average human would want a president who would stick up for their idividual liberties like Ron Paul would not someone who would enlarge the already enourmous government we already have. him being an elequent speaker is seriously not even of a reason to lead this country
Jul 26 2007 1:44AM
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troutbum
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why is it necessary to turn every thread into a "ron paul is better" thread?
Jul 26 2007 1:45AM
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Eleven
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for you kids out there. RP is the only candidate who would get rid of the income tax, that means a SHITLOAD more money for you and your family. no income tax and a free market is a much better solution to social issues like healthcare then something like the obama plan.
Jul 26 2007 1:47AM
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Eleven
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ok im not stating RP is better. i want to hear peoples reasons as to why they like obama, if they like him for reasons that are not true like him being anti war i will speak up.
Jul 26 2007 1:49AM
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troutbum
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which would have been fine had somebody mentioned that they liked him because he was anti-war, but looking through the thread, I didn't see anybody mention it before you, for some reason, corrected us on that. If I missed it, my apologies.
Jul 26 2007 1:51AM
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Nicholas.
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honestly...you should already know why half the kids on ns like him...
Jul 26 2007 1:52AM
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unchyll
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because hating him would be racist
Jul 26 2007 1:58AM
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jimmychung
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to eleven:

obama did say that we shouldn't take anything off the table in dealing with iran, you are correct. but what is so wrong with saying that? iran is a nation with nuclear capabilities, an insane leader, and unfortunately hostile towards the u.s. they are a potential threat, and obama recognizes it. he recognizes that force may be needed sometime in the future if iran becomes even more of a threat, however, he does not endorse it, he simply acknowledges that factor. although he does not rule out force, his primary strategy, by far, is "aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions", which he reiterated in the recent debate. he is a serious advocate of diplomacy, including noting the bush administration's tragic flaw is lack of diplomacy. so yes, he did state that force cannot be ruled out in considering iran. but should it be ruled out? i think that if a man who is as crazy to think that the holocaust is a myth is running a country with nuclear capabilities that also happens to hate us, i would say that country is definitely a threat, and force should not be ruled out at all, but nor should it be exploited as a first choice, which is exactly what obama is saying. so obama is not anti-war, but neither is he pro-war. he simply has the sense not to rule it out, because who know what the future holds. he just notices it as a possible option should the future hold unfortunate circumstances where we would need to use it.

i personally don't think it is safe for our country to be entirely anti-war, because there are definitely circumstances where force would be necessary i do however think strong diplomacy should be the very first option and should be used as much as possible before we resort to action by conflict. because God knows no one wants a war, but it is sometimes inevitable make the world safer. and again, obama agrees.
Jul 26 2007 2:01AM
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troutbum
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lemme quickly add to that - taking options off the table is nothing but a leash. You don't always use what you have, but if you don't have something, you're restricted by it.
Jul 26 2007 2:03AM
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bitchassphatz
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he's black, which makes him cool because he's had such a hard life compared to all of us white voters.
Jul 26 2007 2:03AM
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Eleven
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see, I would probably support obama a hell of a lot more if all that was true. he is not hostile towards the US, he did not deny the holocaust completly just the numbers and he never said israel should be destroyed. just like hugo chavez who is alot smarter and more rational then most believe, the mainstream media has smeared Ahmadinejad and even lied about what he said. Iran is a moderate country and has free, democratic elections. they are not a threat at all at this time. all of the bullshit the media comes up with against him is when he is speaking out against zionisim and somehow the american people now think because he is against the israeli government he is against them.
Jul 26 2007 2:10AM
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Eleven
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also israel has shown themselves to be alot more unstable then iran and they are allowed to have hundreds of nukes. the slightest hint of a war with iran should be an alarm to americans to stop supporting that candidate because nobody can predict if china or russia or both would get involved and if they did that could be very very bad.
Jul 26 2007 2:13AM
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troutbum
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If Iran truly isn't a thread, than why would you worry about Obama being prepared? If they don't do anything against us, we won't have to worry about Obama droppin that nuke, as you imply he will.
Jul 26 2007 2:13AM
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CMF
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he understands what people in america are looking for in their government right now. honesty.
Jul 26 2007 2:18AM
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jimmychung
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if the media is indeed distorting the truth, and chavez and ahmedinejad are not threats at all, it will simply be cleared up by obama's willingness to meet with all foreign leaders, including these two as well as syria, etc. obama openly acknowledged the importance of not shutting out foreign leaders, and agrees to meet these leaders with no preconditions, which is the best step to opening up a healthy relationship with these countries. international cooperation begins from the top down, which obama recognizes and thus explains his desire to meet with them.
Jul 26 2007 2:24AM
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Eleven
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zionisim,AIPAC,the iraq war. connect the dots. iraq wasent a fucking threat now was it? nobody should find it that hard to believe our government wouldnt lie to us again. thats why i think electing someone like Ron Paul who is against big government and is truley only supported by the people and not by big corporations who benefit from the MIC like those who back obama is important. only time will tell but it certainly looks like shit is lineing up for some conflict with iran/syria/lebanon/pakistan
Jul 26 2007 2:25AM
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StReEtPIRATES
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same reason everybody does, his obscenely large nipples, duh
Jul 26 2007 2:26AM
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troutbum
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which is why people voting for Obama are voting for Obama - they trust him not to be like Bush, which, in my opinion, is a pretty easy thing to accomplish. You'll say that Obama is another republicrat looking for a country to bomb, but remember, some of us have the same faith in Obama as you do in Paul.
Jul 26 2007 2:28AM
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Eleven
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its easy to trust him if your a sheep. if you dig beneath the surface a bit you will see most of what his foreign policy is based off of is bullshit and if he is as smart as you all say he is he obviously know its bullshit too. so all i have gathered is that people like him because is a good speaker. that is sad
Jul 26 2007 2:40AM
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troutbum
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Someday you'll realize that there are other plausible opinions beyond your own. Hopefully, at least.
Jul 26 2007 2:42AM
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jimmychung
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you should read some of my posts next time. i listed several points that are infinitely more important than being a good speaker. i'm not going to list them again because i have already done so, and they are a simple scroll in this direction ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 26 2007 2:44AM
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dave44
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He's black.
Jul 26 2007 2:45AM
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Eleven
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ok i did if you would listen to Ron Paul you would see he supports those things but in a different form
Jul 26 2007 2:50AM
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troutbum
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How so, in a different form? Are you referring to the lower taxes = more money for people = easier to pay for healthcare?

I'm just not getting the connection, beyond that.
Jul 26 2007 2:50AM
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Eleven
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you really must not understand what im saying
Jul 26 2007 2:51AM
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troutbum
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I understand exactly what you're saying, but you've found these flaws in his foreign policy that I, and many other people, haven't found. Digging deeper, reading multiple newspapers, reading books, texts, etc, his foreign policy remains, in my mind, true to reality and rational.
Jul 26 2007 2:52AM
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Eleven
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stem cell reasearch
gay marriage
abortion
healthcare



jimmychung says he likes obama because of his stances on those issues , Ron Paul has the same stances and they are actually much more thought out then how obama would handle them. so the only thing im seeing that is special about obama is his ability to speak. he foreign policy is fucked. is social issues are decent but other candidates have better. what am i missing?
Jul 26 2007 2:53AM
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troutbum
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# Embryonic stem cell programs not constitutionally authorized. (May 2007)
# Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
# Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)

that doesn't look like a pro-stem cell research stand to me.

And his abortion stance is to overturn Roe v. Wade, thus resulting in many states completely banning abortions.
Jul 26 2007 2:59AM
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Eleven
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you are really frustrating me because you cannot comprehend a goddamn thing. think for a minute about what you just posted. if you dont get it in 5 minutes i will tell you
Jul 26 2007 3:02AM
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troutbum
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I'm just not getting why you compared Obama to Ron Paul, as they clearly don't stand for the same things. Sorry if that's frustrating, but you're not making your connections very clear.
Jul 26 2007 3:04AM
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jimmychung
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those are just a few of the subject i touched upon.

i agree with obama on the stances of abortion and stem cell research because he supports stem cell research and is pro-choice:


  • Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
  • Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
"Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)"

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is pro-life and against stem cell research:

"Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)"

  • No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)
  • Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Obama supports gay equality through civil unions

  • Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
Ron Paul does not support gay equality, as shown by his vote:

"Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)"

Obama supports a universal health care system, which will be paid for through taxes and other government funding, which in turn will help pay for peoples' healthcare that wouldn't be able to afford care even without taxes.

Eleven, you yourself stated that RP's opposition to any income tax will let families keep all their income tax for things like healthcare. but some families won't be able to pay for it even then. How do they get healthcare then?

So, it's obvious that Paul's and Obama's positions, especially on those specific issues you brought up, are far from the "same stance" and in fact are complete opposites.

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm#Health_Care
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm#Health_Care

Jul 26 2007 3:09AM
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twintipteles
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Anyone who is against income tax as a concept really makes me question their morals.
Jul 26 2007 3:14AM
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Eleven
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jimmychung is the only one who gave me an actual answer, the reaons he posted are all social issues. Ron Paul would leave it up to the states for major issues like that. not the federal government. so while he is an obsetrician and is pro life , he will stick to the constitution and let the states decide. his voting record for texas really shouldnt make people believe thats how it will be when he is commander in chief. for example, stem cell research. if obama was elected it would probably be a federally funded program. if we had a free market it would not be controlled by the government. and when a market is not limited by the government it evolves and grows and is typically much more succesful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg
Jul 26 2007 3:15AM
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twintipteles
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*without suggesting an extremely good alternative.
Jul 26 2007 3:15AM
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Eleven
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what the fuck!??!
Jul 26 2007 3:15AM
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troutbum
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then we posted pretty much the same thing - notice how I said "thus resulting in most states banning abortion." Pro-choicers usually enjoy the entire nation being pro-choice, not just some lucky states. Same goes for stem cell research.
Jul 26 2007 3:18AM
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troutbum
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the states rights aspect is what I like MOST about Ron Paul, I just didn't feel the need to specify up there, as I assumed it would be understood that way.
Jul 26 2007 3:23AM
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twintipteles
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Income tax is one of the most logical things ever.
We all live under the shield of the government. We are protected from enemy attacks, given emergency services, provided with forms of transportation and education and guaranteed at least some level of healthcare and welfare should things turn shitty. Since the existence of this government makes our way of life possible, it makes perfect sense that our income should be taxed.

Jul 26 2007 3:24AM
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troutbum
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get ready for internet-documentary galore.
Jul 26 2007 3:25AM
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Eleven
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do you have any clue as to who Ron Paul is and what he stands for? you kind of have to have a full knowledge of his stances to understand how it will all work.
Jul 26 2007 3:26AM
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troutbum
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or else it looks absurd. In whole, he has this pre-world war 1 life in mind, which would be stellar if we could do it; self reliance, states rights, etc.

But ya, in order to understand Ron Paul, you can't just look at a few aspects of the whole.
Jul 26 2007 3:28AM
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