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Do blind people see their dreams?

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DevonWalsh
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Jul 21 2007 9:11PM
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flux-capacitor
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hum that well be but i think they can have there own ideas i get where you are coming from but i think it they felt say a cube they cude emagin it also a good example was at the chelsie flower-show i no its a wearied exsample but for this garden supporting a blind foundation a picture of the garden was cast in bronze so that if there was any blind people visiting the garden they cude feel the imprinted bronze and create a mental image for them selves
Jul 22 2007 2:48PM
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bombin_baker*
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So now im wondering....are there any blind people on NS?
Jul 22 2007 2:57PM
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bobbaganouche
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What kind of question is that? Who the hell is going to know if there is an NS member that logs in and chats?
Jul 22 2007 8:39PM
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garettnorthey
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Actually, They can still dream Images. They just might not be able have any formation. Or Say they dream about a skier If they felt them selves enough and ski equipment enough they would still be able to get a good idea of what it feels/ looks like It might not be perfect but they'd still get a good idea..
But To make this question Easier.........................................

DOES ANYONE ON HERE NO ANYONE THAT IS BLIND?

That would defenatly help the most?
Jul 22 2007 8:46PM
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T-Bonj
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thats a deep, deeeep question
Jul 22 2007 8:52PM
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skierman_number1
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Dude it was answered by a blind person you jackass. It's been answered probably a hundred times. Read my post earlier in the thread. That is what a blind person, since birth, dreams of.
Jul 22 2007 9:29PM
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Runnie_D
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I asked my science teacher last year but he couldn't come up with an answer...
Jul 22 2007 9:50PM
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DeSena
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wow what the fuckkk, like 2 days ago my cousins boyfriend asked the same question and we kept pondering on the thought, real weird
Jul 22 2007 9:54PM
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ijibgoremtn
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yea but its probably not what we see, thats a deep thought question
Jul 22 2007 10:04PM
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-NY-STeeZE-
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ALIAS
Jul 22 2007 10:05PM
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laxstar
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creepy shit we actually talked about this earlier today while we were smoking hookah jsut random i see it on NS we decided that they only can hear things...
Jul 23 2007 1:37AM
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FartBoy05
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i think they see can see in their dreams. Their eyes are faulty not their imaginations.
Jul 23 2007 9:11AM
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KLovelace
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i bet their dreams are so vivid and different than a person who can and does see everything.. i mean think about the kind of ideas You might creat in your head about image if you had no idea what image was at all.. could be interesting.
Jul 23 2007 9:14AM
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bombin_baker*
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Ok so i actually asked a person who is mostly blind like he has a guied dog and all that but he also works with completely 100% blind people and what he said actually made really good sence. So your eyes wouldnt work without your brain...and blind people still have a brain so Think of it this way, working eyes send messages to the brain but the brain is what makes whatever the eyes see what we see. Without the eye input, the brain can still "see" based on all the other input.And they do dream in images and full color.

Jul 23 2007 12:55PM
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dave44
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they probably have f8cked up tuff in their dreams
Jul 23 2007 1:03PM
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WikiWiki
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i have no idea and my brain hurts now
Jul 23 2007 1:48PM
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bombin_baker*
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when blind people are learning color they relate color to an object or feel...so red is a hot color...the shape of an apple the feel of a hot stove, green is the color of grass...ect. They use their other four senses to learn the one that they dont have.
Jul 23 2007 2:07PM
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maclem
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But they don't actually learn what that color is. Just what some things that are that color look like. If you told them to pick the green crayon, they couldn't. It doesn't feel like grass, and all the crayons feel the same. It would just be a random guess for them.
Jul 23 2007 2:12PM
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bombin_baker*
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^^^ true i'm kinda out of arguments...or actually the e-mail my moms (blind) friend sent me doesnt really have anymore information thats usefull but i guess thats where imagination kicks in and of course they cant choose a certain color crayon by the feel! Try closing your eyes and choosing a red crayon from a box. crayons are not a good example because they are all the same. But they do know what..an apple...looks like because they can feel how its shaped. And even for people who can see it's your brain that actually creates the images so they can acctually see the apple and how its shaped.
Jul 23 2007 2:17PM
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maclem
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Right. They know what the apple is because they can feel it. They only know it is red because some one tells them lol. They also have no idea what the color red even looks like, because they have never seen it before.

And I think crayons are the perfect example because they need to be able to recognize the color to know what it looks like, and be able to pick it out of a group of random crayons.
Jul 23 2007 2:27PM
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bombin_baker*
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no crayons are horrible examples because the person is completely blind! it just doesnt make sence to ask a completely blind person to pick out the red crayon because theirs no way to differ the crayons they are all exactly the same. You cant expect them to be able to tell the difference...and they dont need to anyways.
Jul 23 2007 2:39PM
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KatieMcCork
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Dude, the pro snowboarder spells his name with a 'u'
DevUn Walsh.
Jul 23 2007 3:02PM
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honeydip
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seeing how the real snowboarders name is devUn walsh, im saying no
Jul 23 2007 3:46PM
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doritos
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Here's the real question. People who are blind from birth have extrasensory perception beyond anything a seeing person could imagine courtesy of a visual cortex that doesn't have any images to process. I believe I remember seeing that instead, this part of the brain instead assists smell and, more importantly, touch.

So, if a blind person got pussy, how much more epic would it be? Wrap your head around that one.






Jul 23 2007 3:55PM
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doritos
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For the record... that was not a serious question.
Jul 23 2007 3:56PM
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gnustreetfool
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yes according to this site
http://psych.ucsc.edu/dreams/FAQ/index.html
Jul 23 2007 7:35PM
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bombin_baker*
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No, it's not impossible especialy for a pattern...they see by feeling the object with their hands...so they can feel the pattern if of course its not completly flat. And you're right about the apple, but when blind people first learn colors (like we learned to read or write or even talk) they just learn the basics and then it get more and more complicated as they get older and are able to comprehend more.
Jul 23 2007 9:10PM
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Sufferboy
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if they were born blind prolly not

but like if it happened later they prolly c
Jul 23 2007 9:11PM
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Jake...
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thats a really good question/
Jul 23 2007 9:11PM
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TheButterHashira
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they probly hear dreams ya know like they might hear familys voices and stuff or music
Jul 23 2007 9:16PM
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jadHafeedChris
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I used to work as a camp counselor for a summer camp for the deaf and/or blind. Congenitally blind people (kids and counselors) do in fact dream, and have nightmares! From what I have gathered, by asking them, blind people’s dreams consist of a mix of all their remaining senses. Smells, emotions, and memories of different situations they have been in, interweave to produce dreams that are just as vivid as any seeing person could have. It is important to note, that blindness is not the same for each individual. Many ‘blind’ individuals do see some light, and can detect changes in the level/color of light they do see. In these individuals , those changes in light levels do appear in their dreams. Deaf people experience the same effect in their dreams. Their level of perception is the same in the real world as it is in their dream world.

and there you go.
Jul 23 2007 9:21PM
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Ryanvdonk
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see, they "see" their dreams, some might look wierd as shit if they haven't seen their whole life,a s they have no concept of what things actually look like, but unless they have extreme brain damage (missing a part of their brain that is the image receptor, most blind people have something wrong with their eyes, not the vision receptors), they do.
Jul 23 2007 9:26PM
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jadHafeedChris
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by the way i copy pasted that im 14 cant work as a camp counselor
Jul 23 2007 9:28PM
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garettnorthey
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Hey I said shapes not colours.........
Jul 23 2007 10:31PM
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3ski6guy0
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just think how weird it would be to go through life, if you were born blind, trying to imagine what the world looked like. i bet its nothing like it really is
Jul 23 2007 10:50PM
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Corkster
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wow this thread has more thought and insight then almost anything else ive seen on ns.
Jul 23 2007 11:19PM
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Journey
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bullshit... Just look at the overwhelming evidence theorized by Dr. Anton Pavlovich Chekhov. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Chekhov . Look down to the "Yalta" section where he goes into depth on his theories. FUCK THE HATERS. Dr. Anton Pavlovich Chekhov for life!!!!!
Jul 24 2007 12:08AM
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comeatmebro
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i think you are missing the point of argument, crayons are the perfect example. because to be able to dream in color they have to know what a color looks like. but if you dont know what a color looks like then you cant dream it


here is my take. i dont think they dream at all. my reason is because of color. if someone is blind they do not know any colors whatsoever. everything is made up of colors, even outlines. without the color they cant see an image, without the image there is no dream at all...make sense?
Jul 24 2007 1:23AM
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bombin_baker*
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Well...i actualy talked to a girl who has been blind sinse birth (completely blind) And she knows shapes and can pictures things for example an arena (like where you ride horses) she can picture the shape and the horse and the things inside the arena. Like she was talking about how long the horses legs are...she knew because she had felt them...and she knows what a horse looks like because she can feel the shape. And they DO dream! This girl who is completely blind and has been since birth says dreams all the time. I think my sources are possibly a bit more....reliable? then yours... i dont know....you never know maybe this COMPLETELY BLIND SINCE BIRTH person has no idea what their talking about and really dont dream just claim to...yeahh....i dont think so.
Jul 24 2007 1:31AM
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comeatmebro
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yeah but all you have been talking about is shapes. of course they no shapes, or roughly what they look like. but im talking about color. there is no way possible they know what any color looks like. and correct me if im wrong, you need to know at least one color to be able to dream right?
Jul 24 2007 1:33AM
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bombin_baker*
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no! you can dream in shapes....i dont see why you would think you cant? i mean....i dont know what they actualy SEE but they definently dream is some kind of color and shapes but again...thats where imagination kicks in.
Jul 24 2007 1:36AM
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comeatmebro
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yeah im sure you would know more than me on the subject, im just going by common sense. but how could they see the shape? to see it you have to have some type of knowledge for what any color looks like to express the shape. but they dont have that, so i dont know how they would be able to see the shape. im sure its something with imagination, but i have no clue what....
Jul 24 2007 1:38AM
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bombin_baker*
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yeah...i'm not sure...but i know that they do know what shapes and can picture whatever they feel. theres really no knowing exactly what they see but it's definently something. i guess them trying to descibe something like that to us would be just like us trying to describe a color.
Jul 24 2007 1:41AM
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comeatmebro
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exactly. this man knows what im saying.
Jul 24 2007 1:41AM
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StevenSegal
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nice
Jul 24 2007 1:44AM
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bombin_baker*
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it's not a matter of her being able to actually describe it in words...but being able to actually picture it and dream it because isnt dreaming actually what were talking about?
Jul 24 2007 1:44AM
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comeatmebro
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your imagination is based off of past experiences and it kind of tweeks them if you will. but they have no clue what a color looks like. sure they can tell you what a calculator feels like, and its shape. but when they dream the cant see it. because everything is made of colors and in your dreams you have to be able to see colors to be able to express the shapes you feel. that is how i think of it, and it sure seems right to me...
Jul 24 2007 1:44AM
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comeatmebro
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yeah. but she wouldnt be able to dream it. how can you see something youve never seen before. here think really hard on this. she knows what an apple feels like and its general shape. but she cant dream it because she cant see the apple. the apple is made of colors, she cant see it because she cant see colors. when shes dreaming she doesnt know what red, or black or ANY color looks like, so she cant gather an image of the apple even though she knows the shape of it. get it now?
Jul 24 2007 1:46AM
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comeatmebro
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oh and could i get an invite to the NS Thinkers cult? i used to be in it but that account is gone....
Jul 24 2007 1:53AM
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bombin_baker*
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yes i understand what your saying but i just dont agree. How can someone picture something (which she can) without seeing it? now that doesnt make sence. In order to picture something you have to see in your head. This is where what i said about you brain forming the images that you see comes in. So even a person with fully working eyes is still dependent on their brain to process the images that they are seeing. So blind can see...they see world in a different way. A way that any seeing person could probably never understand.
Jul 24 2007 2:01AM
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