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Bacons for pure park.

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japanada
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i know they are big and heavy, im 6'2" and about 170. anyone ski them centermounted for park?

any one wanna sells some?
Jun 26 2007 6:15PM
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strode
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that big of a ski would probably be excessive for just park.

and i dunno where to find bacons for cheap but you can get the karhu pfd (same ski for the most part) in a 182 here:

http://gearx.com/product_info.php?products_id=18582
Jun 26 2007 6:18PM
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hollygrove
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woahh! I had no idea Kargu made a Bacon too. I thought it was only teh Prophet 100.
Jun 26 2007 6:22PM
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powfoka
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sounds FUN to me...!
Jun 26 2007 6:32PM
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paprika
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Karhu owns Line. They have a lot(maybe 4-6) same models with different topsheets.
Jun 26 2007 6:35PM
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InitialG
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karhu's are actually stiffer I believe
Jun 26 2007 7:41PM
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Tha_Grouch
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I have a pair.. i'd let go if the price were right.

But center mount for park? I don't think it would be what you're thinking. They are really big.
Jun 26 2007 7:53PM
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japanada
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i ride moships right now in a 182, i have no prob throwing them around. they are stiffer too. ahahha i dont know what

But center mount for park? I don't think it would be what you're thinking. They are really big.
Jun 26 2007 8:00PM
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InitialG
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^^ plus recommended is only 2 cm or so from center anyways so its not really necessary
Jun 26 2007 8:01PM
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japanada
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what diff would it make? these will rarely see deep pow

Jun 26 2007 8:03PM
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InitialG
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well there is no real point to centermounting them when recommended is so close, its a freestyle ski designed by pollard, it will rip in the park even if its 2 back from center
Jun 26 2007 8:12PM
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japanada
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im 6'2" lizzys r to small

Jun 26 2007 8:45PM
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FNJ
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garret russel killed it in the park with bacons in that one vid, but then again hes garret russel
Jun 26 2007 8:49PM
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EastCoastM@TT
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what vid

pm it
Jun 26 2007 8:51PM
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720skiguy
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dude just keep your arvs and stop worrying about it
Jun 26 2007 8:56PM
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japanada
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i know, but ive wanted 110+skis for a while now
Jun 26 2007 9:20PM
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13stripes
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no actually Karhu was paying line to make their skis and now K2 owns line
Jun 26 2007 9:26PM
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FNJ
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do the dimensions change for the 182 or is it still the lizzie dimensions for the 182?
Jun 26 2007 9:27PM
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Love_Wins.
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Also curious about this, is the 182 PSD still 110 underfoot?
Jun 26 2007 10:13PM
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cbrady
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keep that ski in the pow
Jun 26 2007 10:24PM
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powfoka
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i ride 179 live lifes in the park and love em befor them i had lizzies and rode those everywhere...

big skis are sooo fun!
Jun 26 2007 10:32PM
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Tha_Grouch
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nah.. unfortuntely its not. Its 2.5 back from core center. ~5 back from true center or something.
Jun 26 2007 11:15PM
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wazzucrewskier
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i dont see why everyone thinks that the bacon is soooo much bigger.  i mean yes it is 10cm longer, but for someone that tall they need the extra length.  also, they are practically the same dimensions other than that, the waist is wider but the tip and tail is practically the same, they just have less sidecut than the lizzies.  so pretty much it is just a longer version.  so i dont see why they would be worse like everyone is saying, and they should ski almost the same as the lizzies.

i say go for em man, the lizzies ski really nice switch near center mount so im sure those would kill switch at center.
Jun 27 2007 2:49AM
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japanada
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thanks
Jun 27 2007 5:04AM
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Love_Wins.
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Bacons are a big ski...they just are, and they are fairly heavy too.
Jun 27 2007 11:31AM
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Tha_Grouch
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^agreed.

I'm not Pollard.. But Personally I think they are tough to get tech with. They are always banging together and are just clunky. If you wanna just do some smooth spins probably no more than 5's.. and a few un-tech rails.. they'd be fine.. other than that.. stick with the arv's or moships.
Jun 27 2007 11:34AM
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strode
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i'm almost positive it's the same dimensions as the bacon (115 waist). The original PFD was only in 172 and was the same dimensions as the lizzie. Then they added the 182 last season but didn't appear to change the description of the ski on the website (or the graphic for that matter, even though i think PFD's are some of the sexiest skis out there)
Jun 27 2007 12:17PM
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Ryanvdonk
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well, you are wrong on this, the recommended is the center of the sidecut, or "core center," and that spot is 2.5 back from the actual center of the skis.
Jun 27 2007 12:31PM
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japanada
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sounds like me. i love floaty spins. and most tech i get on a rail is 270 on 270 off. maybe the occ switch up.
Jun 27 2007 2:15PM
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hemlockjibber8
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if those dimensions of the 182 PFD on that link are correct, the 182 is not the same ski as the bacon. it is narrower.

the bacon and elizabeth are not the same ski. the extra width and way less side cut make it quite different.

the 172 pfd is much stiffer than the elizabeth
Jun 27 2007 2:45PM
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Tha_Grouch
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I have them Ry guy. I have also measured them out. Maybe my skis and two other kids I know have misprinted "recommended" lines but true center on my skis is about 5 cm forward.
Jun 27 2007 6:47PM
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ijibgoremtn
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i say go for it personally
Jun 27 2007 6:49PM
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XtRemE11
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lizzies arent too small, they were designed to be shorter than normal. i own lizzies and ive ridden bacons and the bacons would be kinda poopy for just park.
Jun 27 2007 6:58PM
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strode
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i think we need to narrow our definition of "park" because for some, park means just jibbing but for others, park means hitting big kickers. lizzies aren't too great for big kickers because of their softness and sidecut, but they are tits for slow speed jibbing. that said, you don't need a long ski for slow jibbing, so the bacon would be a waste if that's mostly what you qualify park as. if you hit more big kickers, they would be better than lizzies, but the amount of sidecut is going to make hitting/landing jumps harder.

lizzies hate going straight, and i haven't skied bacons but i'd imagine they aren't much different.
Jun 27 2007 7:06PM
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dozerr
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in the 172 its the exact same ski as the elizabeth
Jun 30 2007 3:52PM
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FNJ
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the PFD is stiffer

Jun 30 2007 3:55PM
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Love_Wins.
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I like how you say that the Sir Francis Bacon is too big, and then advise him to get the Prophet 130, ahahaha.

I had 130s man, they are not a park ski, much less a mid-west ski. The 100s would be better, but still not a park ski at all, they are damp with little pop and are stiff cause of the metal matrix... the Prophet series is a directional big mountain twin, meant to be skied fast down the fall line.

Bad form.
Jun 30 2007 4:00PM
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dozerr
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good to know
Jun 30 2007 4:04PM
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Piste.Off
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i have karhu agents, same as invader except stiffer
Jun 30 2007 5:36PM
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Literature
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As far as I know, the dimensions on the PFD make it ski more like an all mtn ski, and they are mad stiff.
Jun 30 2007 6:43PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Thats  a sick thought.
i mean, theyve got all that cut, theyre pretty bomb proof, and im sure they slide ok, go for it!
Jun 30 2007 7:43PM
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J.D.
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If you do it, be sure you put them at recommended.
Jun 30 2007 7:44PM
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