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Rage Blows MSP out of the Water!

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McGill-X
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Man (and girl on NS too) Enjoy just is so much more creative and steezalitious than msp it blows my f-ing mind!  Wonder who has the bigger budget?
Jun 19 2007 11:19PM
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Digital_Dave
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We also shoot on a HDR-FX1.
Jun 20 2007 3:31PM
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cobra_commander
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 thought Theory-3 used DVX's
Jun 20 2007 3:40PM
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cobra_commander
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considering he is one of the best ski movie makers around right now...
Jun 20 2007 3:42PM
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jp_draves
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i thought both looked dope and i will probably end up picking up both.
Jun 20 2007 4:03PM
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CharlesB.
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then you have a far more below average knowledge of cameras than me for thinking that Rage's image quality is good, especially since, if Tanaka's right, they're shooting HDV.

The contrasts are disgusting, the colors are flat, it's shot 60i (I have nothing against 60i, but at least, if you have a shitty image quality, shoot 30fps or something that'll cover up your image) and, with the budget they have, i think the cinematography (framing etc) is not really above what most amateur companies in here do. The only shot that I thought was good was good was the first 360 off a cliff, filmed from above. Some of their shots looked totally copied from LSS (ie the switch 180 filmed from a tree looks exactly like Thomas' shot of the cab 5 in LSS).

It's too bad cause I thought the skiing was great, and I have to give props to Ahmet for totally destroying urban. But the cinematography is so below par.
Jun 20 2007 4:16PM
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[~_~]
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See this is why I only like watching urban in your movies, because you have the same opinion as I do when it comes to shooting.
Jun 20 2007 4:32PM
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CharlesB.
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thanks a lot buddy
Jun 20 2007 4:37PM
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bkelly
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they have good riders but i couldnt even finish watching cordouroy bucause the editing and filming was so bad. i couldnt even tell what tricks they were doing half the time. good teaser though this year.
Jun 20 2007 7:47PM
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asfffffffffdd
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i agree its a little overated, but its a great camera, and that best part is its starting to be availiable for relatively cheap.... or at least cheaper
Jun 21 2007 1:52AM
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J.D.
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Exciting... meh. Guess some people just really love their ski porn.
Jun 21 2007 2:09AM
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Jeff_Lo
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blah blah blah hey that one company shoots with this camera...oh but that camera sucks cuz of blah blah blah...oh man that one company blah blah blah...oh they copied blah blah blah...i know more than you blah blah blah...

that basically sums up this thread. Everyone should realize the hard work companies put in to make movies, love them or hate them, quit spewing hate, support an industry that supports you. Hate and shit talking wont do anything for an industry that puts movies out for you every year. Quit the hate, and be appreciative to everyone who busts their asses year in and year out to make movies, no matter how they shoot, what they shoot with, or how they edit. If it isnt your style dont buy it and move on.
Jun 21 2007 2:32AM
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dirty_dreb
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Jun 21 2007 3:05AM
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Holte
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I don't watch ski movies for the color timing or the filmstock or the camera movement or the shot composition. All that stuff is nice, but I watch ski movies to get me excited about skiing. And in that regard, I've consistently liked MSP's movies and trailers better than Rage's the past few years. The song in the Enjoy trailer kinda ruined it for me.
Jun 21 2007 4:54AM
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McGill-X
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are you serious, of course we have to be critical...how do you think we progress.  And whats wrong with giving an opinion.  Noboday said the word hate in this thread, we just said that msp has tendancy to make very similar movies and this years rage trailer was flippin sweet...so easy up there lassy...its all in good fun
Jun 21 2007 9:32AM
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CharlesB.
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like the guy above me said...
it's just right to express an opinion and some criticism...this is what will make companies realize what they have to improve, and if they listen to this criticism...then maybe they can stop making the same mistakes.
Jun 21 2007 1:11PM
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Jeff_Lo
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i'm not saying people should'nt criticize movies. But i'm just saying everyone should be appreciative that there are even ski movies
Jun 21 2007 2:17PM
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*cowboy*
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ok JD...

w/e everybody likes different stuff.
Jun 21 2007 2:27PM
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Ryanvdonk
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jeff likes the mellow style of editing. skiing wise it's pretty sick, and they didn't even hint at all the crazy urban stuff they filmed, i just have a feeling that most of rages best tricks went into the trailer.
Jun 21 2007 2:27PM
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erb-herder
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"Man (and girl on NS too) Enjoy just is so much more creative and steezalitious than msp it blows my f-ing mind! Wonder who has the bigger budget?"

Good Joke.




Jun 21 2007 4:33PM
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fischerrider
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Enjoy looks so sick but MSP has been around forever, you have to give them some credit
Jun 21 2007 5:19PM
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skiierman
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1. People need to get off snowboardings dick and stop hating their own sport.

2. Get a life. Who cares if people use the same shots or songs as other movies. It's limited to what you can do, get over it.

3. There's always going to be one teaser better than another and same goes with films. Just enjoy them instead of wasting your time hating.
Jun 21 2007 5:30PM
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beardstatus
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i liked MSP's well at least schillers shots SICK!
Jun 21 2007 6:09PM
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McGill-X
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1. B_Clabaugh: it wasnt a joke, it was sarcasm

2. Stop hating, this is a forum to talk about ur opinion and wtv on skiing

Jun 21 2007 7:18PM
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faux_real
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I sort of agree. Tommy Ellingson had sick footage for Booter Crunk, but the film quality and editing almost ruined his part. I don't know much about Rage post-Junk Show Diaries, but I do know that Sky has skills behind the camera or the computer. He nearly won the Telus film competition in Whistler with "Addicted," and he did all the production himself.
Jun 22 2007 11:54AM
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B-Wald
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you act like no one appreciates ski movies being made. they're talking about them because they enjoy watching them. i don't get how anyone's being victimized here.

what do you expect in an online forum other than an unnecessary amount of discussion about them?


that being said, rage's movie should be a lot better put together this year than in the past. trailer was already way doper than any other year.
Jun 22 2007 12:16PM
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KSdesign
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i still think msp is above all, but rage is def #2 in my book
Jun 22 2007 12:23PM
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sno-man
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I would bet major film companies do not come to NS for advice on how to make there film better.
Jun 22 2007 12:35PM
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Liam.
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i heart rage
period
Jun 22 2007 12:42PM
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sno-man
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Who's "WE", you and your friends that come here to express the same opinion that you all came up with together. Because if your using "WE" as in everyone on this thread having your opinion than your mistaken. You should have just said, "Me and my gay friends all talked and came to the conclusion that Rage is flippin sweet and MSP sucks".
Jun 22 2007 12:48PM
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cgroves
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i havnt really been feeling MSP for the past few years. Minus Wilson's and Pollard parts
Jun 22 2007 1:29PM
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J.D.
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I love how you only come on here in early summer when teasers drop and crusade endlessly for your film company. At least 160 of those 180 posts are in defense or promotion of MSP. Does this actually count as marketing, or do you just have nothing better to do with your time?
Jun 22 2007 1:53PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Man, you really know how to dish it out to teenagers. You should be proud.
Jun 22 2007 2:01PM
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sno-man
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My film company. NO. Are the athletes and a couple of the filmers my friends Yes. You are the leader on this site for hateing MSP. Everytime I visit your ranting. Your hate is not good for the athletes that put there entire season into a film project. Thats there lively hood. Thats how Abma, TJ, Hjorliefson and others make enough bread so they can buy me a drink at the bar. That why I reply to this subject. Why do you send your time hating on something. Jealousy?
Sorry JD but your the one with 10,600 post on here. Who's really wasteing their time. I ski in the winter. Oh and I won't be replying the month of August as well becuase I will be skiing then. When do you ski?
Jun 22 2007 2:12PM
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J.D.
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In the winter, when I'm not at school. When I am, I'm on here. By the way, I can't remember the last time I made an MSP hate post per se, though nothing's going to change the fact that there have been some baaaad movies from that company in recent years, Push sort of being an exception. I'm not going to lie and say I've been in any way impressed overall by the filmmaking since Focused... why would I? I'm also, charitably, not going to mock you by correcting the dozen-or-so errors in that post (apparently you ought to be spending a little more time in school yourself).

You know why I've criticized MSP in the past: because of the trash business they've conducted in this industry. I haven't heard as much of that lately, so there's been less criticism. Same deal with every other company.
Jun 22 2007 2:37PM
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sno-man
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Feel free to correct my spelling. I've been out of school for a few years now and have seem to forgotten all about it.

JD, your a hater. You spend to much time talking about MSP's production qaulity and its all generated from the hate you have for the "BAD BUSINESS they conduct". WHat the fuck do you know about business. YOur hate has nothing to do with the movies quality.

Your comments are bad for the athletes. Period. Thats who I care about in the end. I don't even think MSP makes the best films every year. I like some of there stuff. The athletes back MSP and some of them are my friends so I back them. THe two filmers I know are cool and love there job as well.
Jun 22 2007 3:05PM
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Ace3+4
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Wow i'm surpirse everyone's hyping it so much. Don't get me wrong the skiing was sick but the lifestyle intro was pretty week in my opinion. It's the type of intro that i would do on my amateur movies, but im expecting so much more from rage
Jun 22 2007 3:09PM
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McGill-X
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sno-man: "we" as in people who said msp is repetitive...no said they should stop filming, no one said their athletes are shit...quite the contrary...we (as in those who support the previous statement) just think it would be dope if they were more creative (overall) in making movies.  This was not an msp bashing thread, but a rage is the bomb diggity thread.  Based on these two trailers, Rage looked sicker (in my opinion)...so u need to calm the &%$# down...and i think u should tell me to my face that my friends are gay instead of on a ski forum...
Jun 22 2007 3:26PM
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tha_CF
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doesnt look like they use an fx1 to me, unless they have severely upgraded it?
Jun 22 2007 3:37PM
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sno-man
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You sound like a real bad ass.
Jun 22 2007 3:37PM
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McGill-X
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my goal in life
Jun 22 2007 3:39PM
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jksl
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whatever guys, everyone knows h3o films makes the illest movies!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 22 2007 3:42PM
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Ryanvdonk
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umm, Jeff_Lo right there is working for poorboyz, and iberg is on here as well as some MSP guys defending their movies on occasion, so you would be wrong on this. also, most of the athletes have NS accounts, just some use theirs more than others.
Jun 22 2007 3:44PM
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J.D.
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They are, again, not "my comments" and haven't been for over a year, because as I just said, little has happened to provoke any comments. As for the athletes, I'm (somewhat) glad to see CR back there in so far as it makes him some money. The athletes deserve the money and exposure. However, so do other companies' athletes, to the same if not in some cases a greater extent because MSP's athletes get more of it than others'. And when your company's business practices undercut, sabotage, however you want to put it, other companies with riders who have an equal desire to eat food and wear clothing, well, that's not okay. Thus my and just about everyone else's vocalization of our concerns in the past. And yes, there is a "we" here, because many people agree with my position on this. But again, refer to the first sentence of this post: there hasn't been anywhere near as much MSP hate on Newschoolers recently as in past years, simply because time heals all wounds unless you insist on reopening them.
Jun 22 2007 3:49PM
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quixotic
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Hey Hey Hey Guys....

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Jun 22 2007 4:00PM
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sno-man
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Well I guess JD wins.
Jun 22 2007 4:03PM
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Steakhead
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But Again JD seems to bring up a rumor that half of the kids on NS seemed to believe referring to the TBC "rumor".....You always seem to bring it up again and again when MSP came on here and explained the whole thing.....No wounds to heal...kids just followin rumors....PS regarding to this thread...I enjoyed the enjoy teaser....
Jun 22 2007 6:29PM
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sno-man
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"simply because time heals all wounds unless you insist on reopening them."

You sound so serious JD. Open the wounds up! We are ready to hear your "crusade" of bullshit hate, again. It's good stuff.
Jun 22 2007 7:00PM
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sno-man
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"As for the athletes, I'm (somewhat) glad to see CR back there in so far as it makes him some money. The athletes deserve the money and exposure. However, so do other companies' athletes, to the same if not in some cases a greater extent because MSP's athletes get more of it than others'."

Somewhat Glad? Maybe you should talk to CR and ask why he came back.

MSP athletes get the most because of the exposure MSP provides. For several of them (Eric, Abma, Rory) thats the only real media outlet they have and your fucking it up with you "crusade" of hate.




Jun 22 2007 7:13PM
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J.D.
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How do you know which of the dozen or so incidents involving MSP and another movie company I'm referring to? Here's a hint: it's all of them.

You people are absolutely retarded. If you drop these things, like, say, after that first reply, they go AWAY. If you keep bitching, triple posting and talking trash, they get worse. What the hell do I lose by arguing with you idiots? I don’t work for anyone in this industry and I probably never will, so I have no reason to withhold anything. For example, in the preceding paragraph I could have reminded everyone of the myriad crappy things MSP's done in years gone by, but chose not to, largely because even though there's no statute of limitations on acting like a bunch of cunts, what's past is past and that would probably hurt sales by, we’ll say, ten copies. You know what wouldn’t? You guys shutting the fuck up and letting this die, because like I just said, I have no reason to. Just some friendly advice there!

I said somewhat glad, because I like CR’s segs and I’d prefer to see him on another company whose movies I’ve liked more lately, but hey, I’m sure he’s pretty pleased with what he’s doing or he wouldn’t be doing it. And I never said anything about not wanting athletes to get exposure through MSP! I’m sorry if I’m fucking it up for them, I didn’t think I was so influential. How many more lives have I ruined with my internet posts? Now I see the error of my ways! MSP rules guys, buy 5 copies of SSD!
Jun 22 2007 9:09PM
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sno-man
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I’m sorry if I’m fucking it up for them, I didn’t think I was so influential. How many more lives have I ruined with my internet posts? Now I see the error of my ways! MSP rules guys, buy 5 copies of SSD!
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Thanks JD for admitting your faults. I knew you had in ya. It's Friday Night and I'm out. Get some sleep. Peace
Jun 22 2007 10:04PM
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