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Normal NTSC vs 24P

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*Fujative*
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is there a big difference. i was going to get a gl1 but then i found out that they do not use 24p but the gl2 does use 24p. is it worth spending an extra 300 for 24p?
Jun 10 2007 3:07PM
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mfz
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yea, and + a gl1 is a really old camera you should definatly spend the extra 300$ to get the gl2, its a great camera and its easy to get really colors out of it
Jun 10 2007 3:36PM
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cobra_commander
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first off the GL2 is not 24p, it shoots at 30 frames a second.  And NTSC is not difernent then, or the same as  24p, I do not know all the details of it but NTSC and PAL are just different codes used for video. NTSC is what is used in North America while PAL is what is used in other places (Australia is the only one I know for sure but I think most of Europe is on PAL too) this is why your dvd's that you buy in the states do not work in dvd players in england. 24p on the other hand is a frame rate , 24 frames a second.
Jun 10 2007 4:13PM
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*Fujative*
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well thank you for letting me know that the gl2 doesnt have 24p and the whole ntsc i already knew. i just didnt know what to call it
Jun 11 2007 12:04AM
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cobra_commander
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not really sure what Scratch rider thinks makes the GL2 that much better then the GL1
Jun 11 2007 12:26AM
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Static
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don't be a sucker get a vx
Jun 11 2007 1:21AM
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mammothpunks
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NTSC is 525 lines at 29.97FPS
Pal is 625 lines at 25fps
Jun 11 2007 1:24AM
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*Fujative*
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haha. thank you. u want looking for that.
Jun 11 2007 10:10AM
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[~_~]
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eeeeww




Yeah GL2 is definately a better cam than the hv20. You just need to know how to use it right, since from what I've seen, about 90% of kids on this site with a GL2 don't know batshit about how to use it right.
Jun 11 2007 1:15PM
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XtRemE11
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yeah from footage ive seen gl2's are much better than gl1's. though id take a vx over a gl2 easy, and you could get a vx1000 mabye a 2000 for the same price.
and you can make it 24p through editing if you want.
Jun 11 2007 5:56PM
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Galin
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it still doesnt compare to the real thing, it just kinda sorta makes it look like 24p. Your cheapest option for true 24p is probably the dvx. You can get a dvx100b new on ebay for a little over 2 grand. It's quite the investment but its apparently worth it. I think tanakaskier here just got one this past season. He upgraded from a gl2. So ask him about anything like that and i'm sure he'll have a logical answer for you.
Jun 11 2007 8:23PM
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Static
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that's wrong.
Jun 11 2007 8:53PM
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PhilBenjamin
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No that's right. The GL2 MIGHT shoot 30p in frame mode, but not 24p. The DVX does.
Jun 13 2007 11:45AM
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A_Thomas
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im thinking about the canon hv20 which shoots in 24p but is still a prosumer cam
Jun 13 2007 12:14PM
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[~_~]
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naw the GL2 shoots 60i and interlaces it differently into a 30i sort of look, thus making it look a little choppier and cinematic, but Im sure you know this stuff, since you're the Plehouse guy and all haha
Jun 13 2007 3:35PM
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yeah and 24p doesn't mean shit if you dont have full color/image controls.
Jun 13 2007 3:37PM
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ECfreeski3
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into a 30p* sort of look
Jun 13 2007 4:26PM
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oops haha

yeah frame mode shot at 1/120 slowed down to 80% looks sick. It looks a lot like the slo mo I use with the 30p on my DVX, only its lower resolution since its interlaced.
Jun 13 2007 7:25PM
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Static
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you can put any footage into 24p in post. the ability to do it in camera isn't that big of a deal unless you just want to plug the camera into the wall and watch it from the camera in 24p. the benifits of a dvx are it's in camera color and image controls, as lil' T pointed out. But even then you can go a long way in post.
Jun 13 2007 7:33PM
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[~_~]
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haha is THAT why you say 24p is a gimmick???
Jun 13 2007 7:38PM
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Static
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that's one of the reasons
Jun 13 2007 7:50PM
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please elaborate. I would like to hear from both sides of the 24p issue.
Jun 13 2007 8:06PM
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leckett1
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dude 90% of people with a gl2 on this site have one because you said theyre nice
Jun 14 2007 9:22AM
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leckett1
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and progressive scan gives your film a completely different look than shooting NTSC. the big thing that separates the two is NTSC is interlaced, where progressive scan is frame by frame...like shooting a low quality sequence. of course the footy isnt low qual im just referring to resolution compared to a sequence from a DSLR.

I have a question actually. would shooting 30p use more tape than shooting NTSC?
Jun 14 2007 9:25AM
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PhilBenjamin
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Tanakaskier: I wasn't sure if the GL was doing 30p or emulating it. As far as Plehouse goes, they're still good friends of mine but I have been affiliated with PBP and Tanner's Film for the last two seasons.

NTSC records 30 fps (29.97) at 2 interlaced fields per second, thus the 60i. 30p records 30 fullframes per second. Unless you are shooting DVCPRO HD at a native frame rate of 24fps you are still recording over NTSC at 30 fps so the system adds 6 frames per second to compensate. If you want the real 24fps you shot, you need to run a pulldown on the video to remove the additionnal (interlaced) framces. To notice waht i am talking about, take a NTSC 24p clip you shot and move in it frame by frame, every 3 frames, you will notice the interlace flicker on two frames. This is why the tape moves at the same speed.
Jun 14 2007 10:08AM
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24pa to the rescue!
Jun 14 2007 2:28PM
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