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Stupid rant about big air.
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As I see it the Big Air contest in skiing is dead. There is no room for improvement. Almost every Big Air contest this year came down to a switch off axis trick done to 7,9 or 10. As I see it there is not much room for improvement on this unless a new format of judging is put in place or the jumps are made significantly larger in order to adapt to larger tricks, which would just result in more injured skiers.
The problem with the judging in Big Air contests is the fact that switch tricks are judged so much higher than regular tricks. Regular tricks are almost non-existent in Big Air comps these days unless they are done unnatural. Unnatural tricks shouldn’t be scored higher than natural tricks though because a good skier should be able to do tricks both ways. Switch tricks have been the only winners in major contests for the past 3 years. It seems that almost every year when Tanner Hall picks up a new switch trick, he wins with it except this past year. More and more riders are catching up thus making the contests almost the same. In the end it almost always comes down to Tanner, Jon and some other pro all throwing the same trick (with some slight variations). This season, when people other than Tanner won a lot of the major big airs, created a problem. No new tricks were introduced from last season, it was the same switch tricks done allover again. Don’t get me wrong, the tricks being done are amazing, I just think that after 3 years people are getting bored of the same switch cork 7,9 and 10s.
What skiing needs to do is either change the format of judging in Big Air so that style is judged FAR higher than technicality of trick or simply drop Big Air contests at the professional level. Slope style contests are the answer. Slope style showcases the true abilities of the skiers, not just a one hit wonder. In my mind Big Air should be out. I say keep some Big Air comps for show but don’t base skiing on Big Air comps.
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big air should only be there for demos
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style is opinionated too, so big air is pretty much a thing of the past
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look at aireiales (sp). the do the same thing over and over...how is that still going
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i think big air will turn into a series of big air jumps instead of just one..... it would make it easier to judge and it would be harder on the skiiers to do as well becuase they would need to land there first tricks very well to get set up for the next trick... so they would be more cautious.... and the jumps will get diffrent suck as transfers and stepups and such....... just watch......
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i think that would be too much like slopestyle.
big air will die.
slopestyle and pipe will stay
i cant wait for next season...
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yea i didnt mean like 10 jumps i meant like 2 or 3
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if anything big air should turn into somthin like where u just go around to any feature u want to in a set amount of time do different tricks and change features and stuff and there should be different awards and shit, but thats not anything like big air, so whatever
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i like the idea of having like 3 jumps in a row. IT would look so much coole rand it would force the atheletes to stay on their feet the enitire time.
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yeah more jumps would make it way more technical so therefore better, but then there wouldnt be as crazy of stuff cause u have to link them all together
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The more jumps idea is bassicly just a slopestyle.
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switch unatty cork 9 will be this next seasons big trick
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it shouldnt be the big trick tho. there shouldnt be a unnatural. granted at this point in skiing unnatural is considered to be more difficult but i gaurentee that in 3 years unnatural wont exist because everyone will be able to do tricks both ways.
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I'd like to see a 1/4 pipe angeled into a slopestyle run, except it's only 1 wall for a big 1 hit, and the wall would be pointed down the hill so i'd be just like a 1/2 wall for one hit, into a rail, then a jump or spine again,
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big air to qp is good. i think those should happen more
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Big air and then QP is almost slopestyle. I think slopestyle and pipe are all that matter cause then you see if a skier is versatile rather than a one trick wonder.
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'i gaurentee that in 3 years unnatural wont exist because everyone will be able to do tricks both ways.'
What the hell? Right not everyone (at least everone that enters comps) can do tricks both straight and switch. Does that mean that switch doesn't exisit?
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'not everyone (at least everone that enters comps) can do tricks both straight and switch. Does that mean that switch doesn't exisit? '
Switch and regular are to completly different aspects...unnatural and natural are not. they are still the same trick just spun the oppisate way. unnatural and natural will become obsolete because skiers are beginning to realise that its best to be able to do tricks both ways and its not that hard to either.
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First off, I meant to say everyone can do them straight and switch, not 'not everyone.'
And second, people are also realizing that they should be able to do a trick staright and switch, and its not hard to do when your used to it. Its the same concept. the trick is really the same, it just feels very different, the same with natural/unnatural.
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ok everybody cj is an idiot...big air will never die because its what the paying public wants to see...needless to say for us who know what we're lookin at it does get boring...but to say that everyone will be able to do their tricks natty and unnatty is fucking stupid, and to say that a natty trick should be judged on the same level as an unnaty trick is stupid as well...think about when ur doing a cork 7 thats hard enuff as it is but to be doing it the other way with a grab and to stomp it is super hard. but what is agreed upon is that style should be judged higher then trick difficulty and whatnot. style is what makes skiing look cool..the past 2 years style in skiing has progressed leaps and bounds.
but i just don't agree with the natty unnatty thing because doing your tricks the other way with style is extremely hard. so ya theres my rant cj
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1080spinna - take a look at snowboarding for a second....do you see any pro snowboarders that cant spin front side and backside? NO. Its all about progression man. the tricks that skiers can do shouldnt pregress too much anymore, the way people do them will. ie unnatural vs regular. but when people get good at spinning both ways there wont be a need to call somthing unnatural because they have done the trick so many times it will become natural
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Style should be judged more then technical? I disagree. Style should be judged higher then it curently is, but definitly notmore then tech. I mean, lets say that I enter a big air contest and throw a switch cork 10> Then you (whoever you may be) enter and throw a super super smooth 180. Mine was a little hucked. Should you win? Can you see a 180 winning a big air comp, even if it is super smooth?
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And cj, yes, pro snowboarders can spin both ways. But one is harder then the other (i forgot which). And thus it is scored better. I think its backside, but I could be wrong.
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but to do that u'd have to be insanely good at spinning both way...I.E.-if i skied with u i wouldn't be able to figure out which way u spun regularly. on the snowboarding note i watched this years huckfest in which marc frank montoya won...he pulled the sickest backside 7 i'v have ever seen...in 2 of his 3 jumps he didn't even grab but the spin and landing was so insanely smooth it didn't even look like he tried
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Style should be judged more then technical? I disagree. Style should be judged higher then it curently is, but definitly notmore then tech. I mean, lets say that I enter a big air contest and throw a switch cork 10> Then you (whoever you may be) enter and throw a super super smooth 180. Mine was a little hucked. Should you win? Can you see a 180 winning a big air comp, even if it is super smooth?
Style should be judged higher than tech. However, i 180 wont beet out a switch cork 10 because you would score realy high in tech but low in style. in a 180 you would score super low in tech but high in style...they would even out...and thats why people would do slower, smaller tricks like switch cork 7 and do them with style.
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maybe if it was the most styliest most gigantic awsome 180 ever done by man
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1080spinna - the point im trying to get across to you is that the ammount of possible tricks is running out. look back 4 years. nobody even thought of doind unnatural tricks because there were still new tricks to do. these days people are beginning to dabble with spinning the wrong way. people are looking for new ways to do tricks, thus unnatural. if people work on unnatural tricks for years, the unnatural will eventualy become natural for them.
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i'm absolutly possitive that theres tricks that haven't been done that can be done
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yes, but theres not as many as there used to be. thus leading to trying out new things with existing tricks.
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thats why people need to master unnatural, unnaty in pipe is almost a nessicity. to be able to do big tricks on both walls is huge.
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yeah i think that the sport will progress but alot of people only want to do styley stuff so they dont try to go bigger. big air will be dead in a few years or only for demos. it will be slopestyle and rail best trick. it will start to go towards inline skating maybe.like imyta
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yeah if u can throw a unnatty cork9 mute then its not really unnatty any more, b/c u worked on it so much that it feels natural, so its shouldnt be scored higher and yeah i think in the future there will be no natural and unatural its doesnt matter
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yeah if u can throw a unnatty cork9 mute then its not really unnatty any more, b/c u worked on it so much that it feels natural, so its shouldnt be scored higher and yeah i think in the future there will be no natural and unatural its doesnt matter
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future should and will be slopestyle, pipe, rail sessions and big air for demos.
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NO NO NO, UNNATURAL TRICKS ARE HARDER!!!!!!! HARDER!!!! SO THEY SHOULD BE SCORED ALOT HIGHER!!!!!!! NO ONE WOULD DO UNNATURAL TRICKS IF THEY WERENT SCORED HIGHER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STUPID BECAUSE YOU COULD DO IT NATURAL AND IT WOULD BE SOO MUCH EASIER, I COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH YOU, 100%, UNNATURAL IS HARDER, I CANT SEE HOW ANYONE THINKS A UNNATURAL TRICK SHOULD BE SCORED THE SAME AS NATURAL!!! o well to each his own...
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but i do agree that slopestyle is the way to go, and also, all who disagree go outside find a ledge and do a natural 720 off it, then get back on the ledge and do an unnatural 720 and make it look the same, i gurantee it will take you at least a couple days to land it or perfect it... prolly longer to perfect it
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rail jams are where its at.... and i think most of the comps other then the X games and very large comps will be more of a jam formatt instead of having runs.....
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Your unnatural argument is bullshit cj. Unnatural is harder because everyone has a prefered spinning direction, and so it will, and indeed should, score higher.
It's the same in snowboarding. Frontside scores higher than backside because for most people it's harder. Same with switch bs compared to bs, or cab compared to frontside.
Exactly the same thing in skateboarding too. Look at Burnquist - he is so far ahead of everyone else because of his variations, and that's why he scroes so well. He doesn't pull technically difficult stuff if you only concentrate purely on the rotation/flip.
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Im saying that in a few years unnatural wont be considered unnatural. Take Rex Thomas at the WSI ths season. He did a nice unnatural cork 9 and got top 5 with it, however, the skiers he was up against were doing switch cork 10s. An unnatural cork 9, in 2 years will not be as impressive as a switch cork 10 (comp wise)
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CR won the last USOpen big air with a bio 12. It wasnt unnatural or switch
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i see your point but if you compare a cork 9 and an unatty cork 9 the unatty cork nine will win and be scored higher.... so therefor it will always have an advantage over natural tricks becuase it is in fact harder......
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burnquist is insane. when he has his act together, no one can beat him in the pipe...not even bucky ot pierre luc. he just has switch riding down so damn smooth
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Maybe if they veried the jumps up. Every Big Air competion just has one giant kicker. Maybe if they built a huge hip or something things would change. That brings in the factor did he clear the him or land on the side, etc.
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if someone did a cork 180 and i was a judge, theyd win
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first of all, unnatural shcould alway be scored higher
secondly, about progression there will alway be new tricks out there, think back in the day, lots of trick done now did not even exist,
and different ways of doing tricks will be developed, maybe the amount of rotation will not change, bu tthe nature of rotation will change
such ass completely diffent tricks and throwing a tricka differnet way or doing stuff like a cork into a different trick,
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