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Bush and the iraq war

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SirFryanator
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Most of you agree with me I bet on this issue: Bush and his administration have gone too far with the war. I'm no liberal, but giving even MORE funding promotes wartime to last longer. More troops will do the same, and I haven't seen a single clear plan come out of Bush to end this.
In your opinion, how can the USA end this war without the Iraqis erupting into battles for control?
May 1 2007 8:27PM
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chickenwang
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i like to see the searchbar go to war he'd (asuming its a boy) would pwn everyone who needs to die and no one who doesnt...he'd start with bush
May 1 2007 8:49PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Nuke the entire eastern hemisphere without warning - no warning, extensive bombings, no mutually assured destruction.
May 1 2007 8:55PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Actually, Nuke everybody - no people, no wars. It's flawless.
May 1 2007 8:58PM
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Kevski
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he's already spent over a trillion dollars on the war, don't you see it's just his game? That's why bush is a fag who should die
May 1 2007 8:58PM
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keystoner1
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i just think that them fighting would pry be good because look at the U.S. and other coutries we had civil wasr and we turned out decent i think the biggest issue is trying to get americans to stop being assholes who think that other people are not as good as them so half the world doesn't hate us i mean we are largely in part responsible for global warming and ruining our earth and our prez is a gunhappy moron who thinks that because he doesnt liek someone (Saddam) he has a right to go to war with them i mean yes saddam was bad but he wasnt a major threat and by going into Iraq we just amdea lot more enemies than we had before
May 1 2007 9:01PM
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marsland
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no, i dont agree with you.  i think that the extra funding is needed because we need to protect our troops.  iraq is a piece of shit right now, and will be for a while, and i think that if we leave now someone will step up like sadaam did after the al quaeda left.  plus, the government will go nowhere because the congress is democratic enough that they can veto anything the president wants, and he can veto whatever they want.
May 1 2007 9:04PM
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FartBoy05
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im gunna have to stay outta of this debate and smoke some weed
May 1 2007 9:05PM
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Capt.Flannel
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Check out this editorial - I agree with much of it.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2007/05/01/even_if_entering_iraq_was_a_mistake,_leaving_is_worse
May 1 2007 9:05PM
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P.J.S.
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haha, i second that motion
May 1 2007 9:08PM
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keystoner1
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ya but all we are doing is getting more people mad at us and mor resistance. as long as america lives the way we do there will be a lot of people who hate us and i dont know what would happen if we left NO ONE does but like a lot of world history civil war may be needed to work it out and who knows if a extremist group will come into power and if one did it would be because we are living how we do and it angers them i don't agree with the radicalness but i see how they can be mad with many of us
May 1 2007 9:10PM
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marsland
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in other news, rudy guliani says that the leader of venezuela is bad for us, what is all of your take on this topic?
May 1 2007 9:14PM
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keystoner1
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i think he isnt great but he isnt posing a major threat in my eyes so i think it would be better if we live and let live
May 1 2007 9:17PM
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MitchPee
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The way we turned out has NOTHING to do with our civil wars. Civil wars solve nothing unless a new country was created. The American Civil War was a pointless war that killed a ton of people.
May 1 2007 10:04PM
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Capt.Flannel
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so you consider keeping the country together was a waste of a war? (actual question, not being condescending) Sometimes things need to be done to keep the status quo.
May 1 2007 10:05PM
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MitchPee
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Here's the way I see it...

We've already fucked ourselves over with getting in the middle of this. If we leave right now this very minute we will create a world we are ultimately trying to prevent. Sectarian warfare will only increase if we leave, but if we stay it makes it so we are involved in the fighting.

You see, we are looking at this situation all wrong. Instead of rebuilding the infrastructure and communities of Iraq, we drop more and more bombs. The more killing that happens in that country, the more the youth are going to react and become even tougher to quell into peace. We need to cut down on military operation and start forming humanitarian operation. We need to publicly say we fucked up and ask for the world's help. We need to rebuild Iraq's schools. Once communities are re-established, fair elections will be able to be held. We need to stop taking sides and stop following the exact same thing we have in almost every other police operation we have done.

We do this because we want a benefit from the country. We want to leave knowing they will be our friends and exporting the things we want. It's all part of a global welfare plan. We want to be able to say, "look they like us and are doing business/allied with us". But in reality, we need to do it fairly or the exact same thing that happened with Saudi Arabia will happen again. We will have independent groups who got screwed over try to take revenge on us.
May 1 2007 10:11PM
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keystoner1
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are you serious?!?!?!?! how about the end of slavery MAYBE
May 1 2007 10:15PM
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MitchPee
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The end of slavery didn't come from the civil war. It would have happened with or without the civil war.
May 1 2007 10:22PM
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MitchPee
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No that's not what I said. I said it was a pointless war to have. It was pointless for the southern states to succeed.
May 1 2007 10:22PM
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UNREAL
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This thread has been started a kabillion times.
May 1 2007 10:23PM
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keystoner1
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untrue the south wasnt about to give up on slavery without another force by saying that you are basically saying that hitler would have just stopped the holocaust if no one had intervened
May 1 2007 10:24PM
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SteezePatrol
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Nike supports the war of terror
May 1 2007 10:25PM
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MitchPee
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That is a horrible analogy. There would have been laws passed and revolts with the slaves.
May 1 2007 10:26PM
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potatofarmer
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truthfully, so many people agree with your opinion its almost pointless to have this thread. searchbar. Theres a political cult that Im sure you can get an invite to if you'd like
May 1 2007 10:27PM
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Capt.Flannel
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I misunderstood.
May 1 2007 10:35PM
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keystoner1
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prove it........oh ya u can't that isnt true believ it or not ya there would have been revolts but they may have been put down im looking at it from a FACTUAL standpoint you have no proof that there would have been laws or revolts there pry would have been both but who knows if either would have worked however look what FACTUALLY did work....civil war

also with hitler he was doing things that people didnt like so they fought just like a civil war except it was in a sense a global civil war
May 1 2007 10:39PM
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MitchPee
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No again you are wrong. People didn't fight Hitler because he was doing things he didn't like...Hitler INVADED Poland.

The Civil War was pointless. Slavery wasn't abolished because of the war. The laws would have happened whether or not there was a war. It's not like after the war slaves jumped for joy and they were automatically free. Laws had to be passed and negotiations had to be made. This could have been done without a war. You have no idea what you're talking about and I suggest you stop.
May 2 2007 12:07AM
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SirFryanator
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I agree with you completely on all points.
May 2 2007 12:10AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Isn't keeping our troops out of the line of fire, in a inhostile area, or say at home, a better way to protect them than a few kevlar jackets?
May 2 2007 1:08AM
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ride-rider
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agreed! it was a major mistake, maby the part about removing wepons of mas distruction was good, but we need to pull out NOW!!!
May 2 2007 1:09AM
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RudyGarmisch
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So... a war?
May 2 2007 1:43AM
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andrewg
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What!!!! I thoght royale killed himself!!
May 2 2007 3:08AM
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j3Di
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May 2 2007 3:24AM
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eheath
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Who fucking cares? I sure don't.
May 2 2007 3:32AM
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jacobski
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Liar.
May 2 2007 3:35AM
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dweezileast
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I find it funny that bush said, "I can't support the signing of a bill that provides a time frame for withdrawal of troops. You don't let the enemy know when you're leavin'. Everybody knows that!"
May 2 2007 8:13AM
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freestyler540
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The USA fucked themselves entering this conflict in which they knew all to well that they were going to lose. The thing that Bush was suprised of was the dedication of the terrorists of keeping their land.

Increasing the funds will not protect the troops, nor will it contribute to the reconstruction, all that money is for the food and activities to the troops.

Staying in the illegal war will ruin the US, which is starting to happen. Pulling out is just that bad, like the US destabilised Iraq putting any religious group to fight for power. Its like having sex without a condom and already comming: If you leaving it in, your getting a child and if you pull out, the chick is going to hate you so either way you lose. The only winning position is not having sex at al with that chick.

May 2 2007 9:19AM
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birdshake
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the US is pouring trillions of dollars into this war and its not profitable they really arnt getting money from this. the majority of the oil goes to Japan. so with the US spending all this and not getting any of it back what do you thinks gonna happen? in about 100 years the US is going to collapse, just like the romans.

May 2 2007 9:24AM
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*rkp*
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if you want to know the answer, look at what happened in Vietnam.   same basic scenario.
May 2 2007 11:05AM
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FartBoy05
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yup
May 2 2007 11:34AM
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gregor
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Imagine what you could do with a trillion dollars. You'd have a sick set up.
May 2 2007 12:31PM
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rockyhockey11187
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you want an answer to your question, simply put they can't, we're fucked and they're fucked no matter what now
May 2 2007 12:48PM
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MitchPee
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The USA didn't "lose" this war, the Iraqi people did. They are the ones suffering and live in a country where there is nothing to look forward to. The people fighting to keep their land aren't "terrorists", they are resistance fighters.

Increasing funds will keep troops safer, but not for long and it sure isn't worth it.

May 2 2007 1:03PM
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parkchilla
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fuck bush, and fuck iraq
May 2 2007 1:10PM
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FUUUCK
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didnt you kill yourself?
May 2 2007 1:38PM
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Hctiws_iks
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the bush administration looked at iraq with such an ideological standpoint its ridiculous. The three groupings( sunni shi'ites and kurds)do not get along. Under democratic rule is it really realistic to believe that these very feverant and different groups can really live in one country. I think not. It is my opinion that a stable, unified Iraq and democracy cannot coexist.
May 2 2007 1:38PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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^ sounds that way to me too. shia and sunni are from what i've read far apart on their stances on islam and the kuran. It would be surprising to me if the place didn't seperate into 3 countries. Even then they would still probably fight each other.
May 2 2007 1:54PM
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Verno
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The UN really set all this up by NOT standing their ground when IRAQ broke 10+ UN-issued directives. It had gone too far, has been driven into the ground so badly (see the shit going on in Sudan), that it's just a facade now.

Secondly, if you think what's going on in IRAQ is a civil war, you're wrong. Just like any f*cked up country, 99% of the population are good, law-abiding people who just want to live in peace. The other 1% want to control the other 99%. Unfortunately that 1% who is greed-hungry is more than one group. Their best way to attain any control is by causing so much havoc that they eventually gain control. These 1% are trying to depict that a civil war is going on, but in fact, it's just a power struggle for the greedy. Same thing's going on in Africa....in like 50+% of the countries. Same thing's happening in the West Bank....check it out. Sunis don't want to kill Shites. They want to live in peace.....but peace is not prosperous for the greedy 1% with all the armaments and radicalist ideas behind them.
May 2 2007 2:51PM
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Dustin.
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how about the people who's careers revolve around more than sitting on the computer?
May 2 2007 4:37PM
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mski
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just quite yourself, you going to have people that agree and disagree with you...these threads go no where besides a bunch of us "newschoolers" trying to act all scholarly in a political sense!
May 2 2007 5:00PM
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slimbruddah
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You see, the whole thing is, Bush doesn't wanna leave Iraq. And if you don't see, or understand that, you are one narrow minded fuck.
May 2 2007 6:03PM
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