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my dads a psia ski instructor so i guess he can get proform. where would i go to obtain one of these order sheets? do i have to wait till the ski shop gets them in and have my dad get one there?

Jul 15 2003 10:43PM

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Gavin, how do u get PROFORM. The last time i checked you weren't sponsored, or an instructor. unless u r still doin that gay Junior Ski Patrol shit.
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Jul 15 2003 11:35PM

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SomeSkiGirl

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jmwski, have your dad talk to his boss at the ski school he works at b/c they give proforms to ski schools and he will probably have to order the skis through his boss

Jul 16 2003 2:18AM

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wow....some of you guys are retarded. No one gives a shit if you work in the industry. Good for you, you get cheap shit. I'm PSIA, NSP, and I work at a shop............you never hear me bragging about how great of deals I get. Some of you guys are fuckin cocky and rub it in people's faces, way to piss off the other 2/3 of the ski industry. AND, since you all advertise that proform even exists (which you're not supposed to), people are NEVER gonna freakin pay full retail or even half.

Jul 16 2003 12:25PM

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the only people that should have to pay retail are the yuppies that want to show how much money they have anyway. its bullshit how much stuff costs retail.

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Jul 16 2003 12:58PM

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Just make some friends in a ski shop our ski shop carried salomon so You can get everything like 60-70% off retail my 1080's cost 260$ and came in two days. Also if you like salomon stuff at the begining of every season the reps hand out 'salomon hook-up cards' with username and password on them you can sign up to a website that sells tons of gear for dirt cheap. SO just conn someone at a ski shop into letting you use their card.

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Jul 16 2003 1:30PM

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well dicky my dads a patroller dumbass...he's been on the patrol at pns ever since i'v been skiing and like 10 years before that up at gore mt. in newyork
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Jul 16 2003 7:05PM

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i dont get why you are so pissed off at us. were just here to ski and we all are poor teenagers looking for a deal. thats just smart shopping

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Jul 16 2003 11:05PM

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Jul 17 2003 4:46AM

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^^^^HEY!!! An honest shop kid!

Jul 17 2003 10:32AM

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Ice-Is-Scary

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freezy i lost mine (lost my wallet skiing at copper this spring) please hook me up with a new number

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Jul 17 2003 4:45PM

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Proforms are great, they break the cost to the customer and alow the ski co. to make the money back they paid to produce the ski and ship it to you. K2 does have the PE and the Pistols on the '03 form but they are down to the last 10 or less pairs in the wherehouse. They should have more comming into the US later this year but if ou bought them you probably would not see them for a couple of months...The new fujatives, Apaches, and Maidens will not be availible for another year....

Jul 17 2003 4:55PM

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!!!morbumps4me and freezy, they only smart ones in this dicussion!!!

i think its funny how people ask for my hookup card info all the time, it wont help them at all cause it will only ship to where ever the card is registerd ( ei, which shop). another thing is i dont see why people are complaining about the pe, its probably the best deal in the ski market today, 349 is dam cheap for a burly park ski.

an last but not least, dont abuse the hookup or proforms, cause if to much stuff is being baught and sold to other people off the proforms, companins are liable to just end the program for everyone. if you work in retail, great, you just like me and get good deals, thats what we call a 'benifit' of working in a shop, but if your some joe shmo, im afread your stuck paying full retail.

Dont abuse the program, if your dad gets it, im afriad you dont, cause if your dad orders you skis, that coupld possibly get him fired from his position.

so you gota ask yourself, would you rather pay full blow for a ski that is going to rip, or get it on proform, not supporting the ski industy, and ride the same skis year after year cause the ski company doesnt want to put any money into develping new skis cause they dont make any money.

and skier_dan, thats fantastic you give your grandfather blowjobs for skis, but no one really cares.
and nobody say its hard to get hooked up, work at a ski shop 1 night a week waxing skis, there your connection right there, thats how i started.

Jul 17 2003 5:18PM

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HughGRection

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Abuse away, Ski companies love pro-forms because they help put influential skiers on their products and are a great way to sell through extra or overstock skis and snowboards( not PE and shit, but other lines...)

Jul 17 2003 5:22PM

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Jul 17 2003 5:46PM

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'HughGRection', wasent that sullavans 'name' he used to enter some comp? didnt i read that somewheres>????

Jul 17 2003 5:57PM

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HughGRection

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yeah, it's a fake name, go figure, I think a guy or two used it last winter at McConkeys Saucerboy race.

Jul 17 2003 6:03PM

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what are you talking about, proform taking away from the industries money. the ski companies are still making the same money off of the same ski someone buys for retail or proform. the only difference is that the ski shop doesnt get as much, and i dont care because my shop is a piece of shit that only cares about race skis anyways and they only stock a limited suply of twins because of a small demand. so buying off of proform also me to get the ski i want that the shop doesnt carry.
and another thing about k2. k2 is making a bigger profit off of there less expensive ski (PE's) because they stopped production in the U.S and sent everything over to the east (china i think) so it coast k2 pennies to make skis now that why they can sell them for less

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Jul 17 2003 8:22PM

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just fyi, mostly all skis are made oversees.

proform does take away from the industy. lets say a shop orders 50 pairs of twins for the 04 season, now they can only sell half of them at full retail becuase people like you offer friends to get skis for 50,60 and even sometims 70% off through the proform or employee purchase program. now lets look at the 05 season, you hardgoods buyer sees that you only sold 25 pairs of twins, and sold the rest at super discount over the summer, so what does he/she do? orders 30 pairs for the upcoming year, e.i. not helping the industy. now if you had sold all 50 pairs, more then likly your hardgoods buyer would have baught 60 pair, double the order as descibed before. every person that you hooked up with a deal, is a lossed sale, therefor not helping the ski industry. now i know your probably saying ' well, I only hook up like 2 or 3 of my best friends' well if there is a tard like you in every shop saying that, then we got a whole lot of lossed sales.
every penny k2 or any other ski comping makes is broken up into many differant departments. yea, more then likely you wont see most of this money again, (it goes to big wigs, production costs, ect...) but lets look at the money that goes to the r+d department of that company. if the r+d depatment gets a lot of money to spend, next year you will see a much sicker product coming out. now lets look at a company that did not have a lot of money for R+D, like line. what do they have coming out next year? NOT A DAM THING. why? cause first off they spent way too much money on the binding, and second off there sales were down overall for the year.

so now you go and complain the the message boards and to your friends how 'line sucks(doesnt have to be line, just a company that did not put out this year), they got nothing new!' and why, cause of yourself abusing the employee purchase program.

from here on out I really dont want to see any stupid replys.

Jul 17 2003 10:21PM

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ohh, and explain to me why the pe costs 359 yet the seth pistol, which is made in the same fatory, costs 799 msrp. why such a differance? lets not even get into there store stock race skis, which come out of the same plant also.

Jul 17 2003 10:23PM

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wow i didnt mean to get into an argument. i dont even get proform all i get is a racers discount with doenst work for twins so i do pay full retail or sales when i look around.

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Jul 17 2003 11:22PM

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Yer shops get the skis in your hand, if there was no shop, you wouldn't have those skis because you're buddy wouldn't have a job....evertime an employee gets someone else proform think about how you're costing your shop money. You could probably still sell skis to a kid at a 'discount' and your shop will still make money. Instead some of you take away from your shops rev. by giving shit away. The NSP and PSIA thing is different, that's a group buy...shops still make money. There are different levels of proform.

Jul 18 2003 12:29AM

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Freezy's right, there are diff. levels of proform. Salomon, Rossi, Fischer, Atomic, and Volkl (which is what my shop carries) all do the NSP thing, it's wholesale + usually 20% markup..you end up and save (depending on the ski) a couple hundred bucks fer new stuff.

Jul 18 2003 9:42AM

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I say dont worry about proform. some of the best deals you can come by are on ebay or sales. If you can work at a ski shop because you can get some sick deals working there. my friend sold so many skis and last year solomon gave him a free pair of 1080's for selling so many skis. look online for deals they are easy to come by

-jason

Jul 18 2003 11:41AM

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saucerboy84

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i work in a shop, i get the proform legit...i didnt mean to cause all this commotion...all i wanted was to know if the PE was on the form

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Jul 18 2003 4:05PM

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manus

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there are pro's and cons with pro-form, most companies allow the authorized purchaser to purchase goods for their spouse, and children, however the authorized purchaser cannot purchase goods for siblings, or parents. There are also contingencies about the resale of pro-form equiptment. I'm sure there are varied levels of pro-form, just as their are levels of sponsorship and shops get an even larger discount than pro-form.

So if you want to get a hook-up for stuff, get a job in the industry (pro-form is supposed to be for full time only, but most will allow part-timers discounts too).

One thing to keep in mind though, is that the reason PSIA and NSP and so on get these discounts is because of group sales type agreements, and also because like it or not, these people are walking talking billboards and need equiptment anyway, so they offer discounts to entice them to always be on new equiptment (gives off a good image to clients, and also PSIA and NSP are usually on snow anywhere from 75-100+ days a year) and also, so they refer new customers to a company.

The problem is that if pro-forms and shop-forms are abused, the discounts can be taken away - which would suck.

Jul 18 2003 6:07PM

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...and pro-form, sponsorships, kids ski's, varied prices on different lines, all have less to do with the quality of the ski and more to do with marketing and customer base

at least in my opinion

Jul 18 2003 6:09PM

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I've only ever heard them called pro-deals. maybe it's a canadian thing.
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Jul 18 2003 7:50PM

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vtrider gets huge props for this thread. what hes stated has always been my philosophy, and imo you should all listen to him, hes a smart man.
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Jul 19 2003 12:15AM

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im not saying that just because of proform abuse we dont see new skis, all i am saying is that proform abuse contributes to not seeing new skis.

Jul 19 2003 7:50AM

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you need to look at this as a whole. overall proform affects such a small amount of skis sold. yes some people do abuse proform but it is such a small fraction of the total. we all know of proform and try to get deals because we are all such avid skier but look at the weekenders and the vactioners that spend full retail for there 1 or 2 times a year skiing adventures. thats where ski companies make there money

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