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Olenick's whiskey flip: I can't believe the judges are buying it!

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poacher180
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Olenick should NOT have podiumed at x games or the second stop of the ski tour at breck. Here's why: 1) He cannot stomp the "whiskey flip" cleanly. At X games he landed flat every time and sat down or dragged a hand. At breck he landed facing straight down the pipe essentially sliding sideways into the transition because he hardly rotated. 2) He is doing a double backflip with about a 90 degree turn at the very end, and not even attempting to grab! This is not the direction we want our sport going! 3) The rest of his run is terrible! He never grabs and he lands his first hit in the flat bottom and skiing straight down the pipe so he has to turn in the flat bottom and milk the bottom of the pipe to get as many hits as the other competitors.

Peter, I know you want to win but you are doing terrible things to our sport!

Don't Support the Whiskey Flip!

Feb 7 2007 4:12PM
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doublexl
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shut up. try and not skid out on a pipe entirely made of ice.
Feb 7 2007 8:20PM
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A@ron
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wow you made a horrible thread. peter o is the shiznit
Feb 7 2007 8:26PM
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Literature
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Pete O did not skid out on the rest of his tricks. I see no reason why he is not able to land this one just as well.

This has nothing to do with my ability. I will most likely never do a double in the pipe, nor do I have the skill to pull something that crazy off. However, when one is judging an event, I feel that stomping shit is important to winning. As Olenick did not stomp his Whiskey Flip landing on any of his comp runs, I feel perfectly justified saying that he should not have recieved 3rd, with Hatviet throwing down as hard as he was.

Feb 7 2007 8:30PM
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J.D.
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Looks more like a double lincoln than a double back to me. And it'd be better with a grab, but at least it isn't penciled like that 12.
Feb 7 2007 8:38PM
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Tolz
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i think somebody's jealous...
Feb 7 2007 9:06PM
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FigmentFilmski
Posts: 1639 - Karma: 266
do you guys realize how fucking scary flipping in a pipe is...if he were to even slighty go out of the pipe he has risk of snapping his neck, he could even die doing this trick. i give him full credit and props on this trick
Feb 7 2007 9:17PM
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steezerampage
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I would rather see a double flip without a clean grab then a 1260 without out a clean grab. But I also think they were both fucking sweet.
Feb 7 2007 9:51PM
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MadSteezin
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who cares about the direction we are going in pipe skiing. Its all melting due to global warming and frankly pipe skiing isn't that interesting.
Feb 7 2007 10:16PM
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Static
Posts: 8491 - Karma: 4,059
backflip to flair
Feb 7 2007 11:18PM
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nitsua
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can you whiskey flip
Ya no
Feb 7 2007 11:19PM
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SirFryanator
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dont start a global warming argument here patrick
pipe skiing is awesome!!!
Just watch dumont's run in the x games and olenick's whiskey flip was so sick I almost shit myself.
you don't have much to work with for a score in the pipe so riders have to keep up the style and technicality or else it does get boring and judges will beat you down for that.
Feb 7 2007 11:22PM
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c+ald
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whatever man a whiskey flip in the pipe is so fucking ballsy spinning doesnt take any balls whatsoever
Feb 7 2007 11:27PM
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nitsua
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spinning in the pipe takes mad balls man.
Feb 7 2007 11:45PM
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jos-in-nz
Posts: 90 - Karma: 99
Well hi there,
welcome to newscoolers!a place were a bunch of kids can talk crap on pro skiers 100 times better than them! yo why don't you go out and do a better trick then?????huh, oh yea i remember this sport is about doin STEEZY 180's in comps hey!? yea thats right its not about who can do the hardest trick is it! thats what seperates the "pro's" to everybody else! doin hard tricks no body else can do! but no sorry peter lands a lttle down the wall on a dubble flat and now its not cool?????? go back to doin ur 180's and leave the guys that get paid to do this alone!
Feb 8 2007 5:05AM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
he kinda grabbed the one at breck and stomped it even tho he didnt spin quite enought.
Feb 8 2007 9:28AM
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MadAir915
Posts: 614 - Karma: 9
i was there and it was huge... it should have gone simon, peter , then hall...
Feb 8 2007 10:02AM
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hollygrove
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Agreed. first hit was sick, as well as switch 9 at the bottom.
Feb 8 2007 10:30AM
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dimeboy
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whisky flip... not such a fan. but the rest of his run is pretty dope spinnng both ways, nice smoth cork when i was watching his run i remebr digging. like tanners switch 10 it was liek hoola-hoop,m ye sits switch but you want to judge style its lacking. but fuck the 12's and 10's first hit. does anbody remer Lurent Lefarve?!! 22 foot alleyoop air last year at X, that was the dopest thing ever. i miss lurent. and i will be glad when alll the pros get spin-to-win-itus out of there bones.
Feb 8 2007 11:19AM
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salamander
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How is doing new things bad for our sport?
Feb 8 2007 12:13PM
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LOLO_FAVRE
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why everybody call it a wiskey flip and not a double backflip 180
why everybody just call tricks by another name it's just a double backflip 180 and not a wiskey flip
it's like the kangaroo flip it's double rodeo or lincoln and not a kangaroo
when people will begin to call a tricks by the real name and stop inventing name
Feb 8 2007 12:54PM
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Swick825
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something we really need to address
Feb 8 2007 1:22PM
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Holte
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amen brotha!
Feb 8 2007 1:28PM
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slaydave
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he is right that its a double back flip with a little rotation and no grab... but its rediculous none the less... i agree too that i dont like skiing going in that direction but thats competitions we all know that... what else do u expect from the judges, the riders know this thats why they spin to win and crap... comps arent where skiing is heading... thats the whole money side of the sport... skiing IS heading to stylish spins and ideas... but the public outside the core freestyle community doesnt understand a zero spin... they are like what was that where is the 12's and whiskey flips....
Feb 8 2007 1:36PM
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Static
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the public doesn't give a fuck about skiing. The only people who care are people who ski.
Feb 11 2007 4:32PM
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ValPow
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if skiing is about creativity then we should be welcoming anything new, especially if there are precious few people in the world who can pull off a whiskey flip. i reckon peter stomp it, he wouldn't have tried it at x if he couldn't, most of us just havent seen it stomped, when we do see it i'll be thinking, fuck that is insane.

dont knock people for tring new shit, whiskey flips make a change from the spin to win mentality we currently have
Feb 11 2007 4:57PM
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AndrewWoods
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The above quote is a perfect example of an argument against Pete's trick. I respect it for being extremely difficult; however, halfpipe skiing itself has a long way to go. I prefer clean switch 9s to the ballsy tricks. They are just as difficult and people like my friend above don't understand them. No one should be talking about how these tricks should be judged unless they can even come close to doing them. And if you find "stylish" skiing boring, then your opinion doesn't count.
Feb 11 2007 5:56PM
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121Media
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All I know is that the olnicks are a bunch of clowns!
OVEROLNICK'S.COM
Feb 12 2007 12:58AM
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skodeo7
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Get off Olenicks nutz everyone...please. Its rediculous. Can't believe he podiumed at X either. Not a clean run whatsoever...

Can't believe you morons are bringing the "until you can do a whiskey flip you cant talk shit about it" argument into the picture. Are you fucking kidding me? Have you ever been on NS before??? It's about the discussion and debate over the future of skiing. Hopefully doing hucked double backflip 180's and pencil steeze 12's in the future for long. How much was the notion of the switch 10 argued over last year, I guarantee you that only about 1% of the people in that raunchy debate can actually do a switch 10.

Also, about naming tricks. Kangaroo flip=double backflip 180. Whiskey flip=double backflip 180. really necesary?


hmmmm
Feb 12 2007 1:19AM
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skodeo7
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read: Hopefully doing hucked double backflip 180's and pencil steeze 12's isn't a trend for the future
Feb 12 2007 1:22AM
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Mskier91
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lets see you do better fag. first off, he's going huge and secondly peter's the shit... and he grabs his nine, 10, five etc. your retarded
Feb 12 2007 12:34PM
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AndrewWoods
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I'm sorry to disappoint you "skodeo", but that's just how it is. In the real world, in order to make an argument you need to know something about it. I'm sorry.
Feb 12 2007 2:13PM
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skodeo7
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p.s. I think this would be a different argument if he was stomping the shit out of it/grabbing. Also, I am not denying the fact that Olencik is a dope rider, I've always been a fan of his style. The fact that I am not seeing any of that style in this trick has a lot to do with it. He looks like a rollerblader with that shit.
Feb 12 2007 3:48PM
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armaduh
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yo, peter is an awesome skier and progresses the sport well, so what if he didnt do a perfect run.
Feb 12 2007 4:22PM
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*DrewT*
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Whatever man the double is sick. I do agree with the people saying andreas should have won ski tour his run was way better than tanner's. I can't even see how the judges picked tanner
Feb 12 2007 4:55PM
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bobs
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i can 5 but i deff couldnt double back.plus pete grabs the best 10 blunt out of everyone

Feb 12 2007 5:03PM
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ljs
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o can you do it better
Feb 12 2007 5:58PM
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900toaster
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UR A FAG, i like to see you do a double in pipe
Feb 12 2007 6:20PM
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tSki
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your such a fag wiskey flip is dope
Feb 12 2007 6:27PM
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poacher180
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Apparently everyone (except skodeo7) misunderstood what I was saying. I was arguing that his run, regardless of how lame I think the whiskey flip is, was not a sound run. He grabbed very little (less than hatviet for sure) and went small on all his hits after the whiskey flip.

As for the whiskey flip itself,
Skodeo7 is right, if he were actually rotating the trick, landing on the transition, and doing a grab I would have no problem with it. The fact is he lands sloppy every time largely because he doesn’t rotate and lands in the flat bottom, and doesn’t even attempt a grab.

Its also sad how intolerant and hateful you guys are towards gay people, fag is very nasty word and there is likely a few gay kids on newschoolers, not to mention the fact that calling someone a fag just ruins your credibility in any argument. Grow up!
Feb 12 2007 10:08PM
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Eastcoast157
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hes the only one doin that. go out and try it and if you land it i really dont think that you would care if you landed not perfectly back in the pipe or did a grab with it as he does it more im sure he will put a grab in it
Feb 12 2007 10:37PM
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k2peskieruk
Posts: 87 - Karma: 13
Given more time he will start to land it better.  Besides Whiskey Flip > Dumont's Ungrabbed 1260...
Feb 13 2007 10:31AM
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skodeo7
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Yeah, but isn't one of the most important parts of a competition run having a CLEAN landing (ie. not slipping out, not putting hands down, etc...). If you don't do that than the trick should not count nearly as high as what it has been recently. A run doesn't stay fluid when you sketch out on a trick (especially when its your first). Also, if all he cares about is landing it...than thats silly. People can land double misty's and they look like shit. Is skiing only about landing tricks folks? What happened to style son?
Feb 13 2007 12:39PM
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DopeSauce
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Word. I thought this was FREEskiing? PErsonally I think it looks ill
Feb 13 2007 1:12PM
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paone
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i think peter throwing the whisky flip was a good thing cause it is progressing his sport cause if that trick is like the kangaroo flip someone else is gonna come out and do it better than him with a grab and gonna beat him so it will force new tricks  so just cause something doesnt have a grab now give it a season or 2 cause i no in a few years i wanna be landing a whisky flip in pipe
Nov 2 2007 2:52AM
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VTtreeskier
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Holy shit will people stop fuckin ripping on peter, i mean goddamn its getting fuckin ridiculous, hes not the greatest but hes got pretty fuckin sick style in my opinion
Nov 2 2007 2:56AM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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dude, all we're hearing is this "bla bla bla, bla bla bla, im a little bitch"

shut up and ski
Nov 2 2007 3:04AM
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paone
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best response here karma increase for this guy
Nov 2 2007 3:09AM
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indatrenches
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you wanna talk ugly, tanner's 1st hit at x for gold.  that shit was "NEW", but ugly as all can be.
Nov 2 2007 3:31AM
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huntpip29
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the whiskey flip is sick
Nov 2 2007 8:36AM
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