R.E.D copying Bern??

Snow_Drift · 2007-02-05 19:00:55

So I was looking online and I came across the R.E.D Mutiny when I thought it looked really familiar. Then I looked at the Bern Baker that I own and they are nearly identical!? Sure helmets are all somewhat similar but this is pretty blatant. I like my Bern Baker a lot. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/D0WNxSH1ft/mutinybaker.jpg[/IMG]

Uncle_Remus

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wow bern should sue or something thats rediculas

Feb 5 2007 7:03PM

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tSki

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why does it say bern on it?

Feb 5 2007 7:04PM

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Uncle_Remus

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where did u find that picture

Feb 5 2007 7:06PM

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fouldsys

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wow thats identical almost

Feb 5 2007 7:07PM

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I'm guessing he made it. They look pretty similar, but hey, dont all helmets anyways? I dont think they have rights to sue unless something specific in the design was copyrighted...

Feb 5 2007 7:09PM

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hollygrove

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"superimposed over bern baker"

i belive that means someone combined the two helemts in an image?

Feb 5 2007 7:10PM

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Uncle_Remus

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ya i guess

Feb 5 2007 7:10PM

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Snow_Drift

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Its the RED Mutiny over the Bern Baker (just the image ontop of the other).

Feb 5 2007 7:10PM

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hollygrove

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oh my god, three posts in 10 milliseconds.
im scared.

Feb 5 2007 7:12PM

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the RED is porbably actually a helmet

Feb 5 2007 7:13PM

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you're so clueless aren't you

Feb 5 2007 7:18PM

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Uncle_Remus

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this year you can order all hardhat helmets (macon baker + girl ones) as either hard hats W/ that brock foam or as actual helmets rated to save your head

Feb 5 2007 7:18PM

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wtf

Feb 5 2007 7:22PM

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SilkyJohnson

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enlighten me, b/c i was at my shop and was told that they were hard hats not certified helmets

Feb 5 2007 7:22PM

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Uncle_Remus

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there was an article out but i cant find it it was on here but it said that some helmets are easly good enough but that the didnt spend the money to prove it and some are rated for waresports like the baker put it still offers a ton more protection then a hat

Feb 5 2007 7:32PM

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big deal, have you seen half the helmets in the industry these days, they all look the same. Salomon has a new brimmed helmet coming out that I bet wont look too much different.

Feb 5 2007 7:37PM

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skier24

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it is RED's new helmet on top of the baker. they are comparing size maybe?? i still think salomons new one is the best looking.

Feb 5 2007 7:40PM

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the red colored helmet is the RED helmet and the grey one underneath is this years bern

Feb 5 2007 8:06PM

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Next time save yourself some PS work and just post both pictures so people arent confused.

Feb 5 2007 8:08PM

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no he superimposed the pics to show they are almost identical

Feb 5 2007 8:10PM

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Snow_Drift

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Ok so that everyone can understand:

Bern Baker

RED Mutinuty

Compare

Feb 5 2007 8:32PM

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Bern has a much more progressive helmet construction than Red or Giro, Brock foam will do much more for you than the styrofoam crap in the average Red.

Sucks that the fine people at Burton can't come up with anything new.

Feb 5 2007 8:53PM

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Ummm...they are both helemts with brims, there's only so much you can do with a helmet and a brim, that's like saying all twintips are ripoffs of th old 1080, it's just a different companys version or interpretation.

Feb 5 2007 9:19PM

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R.E.D. Mutiny So Dope

Feb 6 2007 12:22AM

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The RED is actually a certifed helmet. And in real life I swear the brim was bigger/longer than the bern. I have a baker.. so I can compare.

Also the new K2 brimmed helmet is dope. Its like 1/2 way btw a bern and a holt.

Feb 6 2007 12:41AM

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actually thats pretty sick. i love the style of my baker but it would rock to have some of the audex skullcandy sub headphones attatched to it. although that salomon helmet thats coming out looks way steezy.

Feb 6 2007 1:10AM

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tha_CF

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some guy had that red on at a rail jam here... it was sick, but looked like it fit more like a capix helmet.

Feb 6 2007 1:35AM

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JWalker

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Hey guys this is Walker from Bern.

ahhhhhh the Bern Baker vs the RED faker.

Bottom line every company in the business, including the largest brand in the biz somehow tried to make a baker looking helmet.

We look at it as flattery, but we do have a patent on the shape and a trade dress issue with, just so all the big dogs know we did our homework.

Bern has established itself as THE innovating head protection brand, when the entire industry, every helmet brand, including the biggest brand looks at what we, three guys in a barn near a good surf break in MA, are doing, then you know we are doing something right. This is only the beginning, wait till you see what we are dropping next year......

Bern Baker (available in Certified EPS, and Two Stage Brock Hard Hat)

check out our new site and team www.bernunlimited.com
and our myspace page www.myspace.com/bernheadprotection

thanks for the support guys, go shred some turns and support the real indie brands, the DIY brands who shred, not sit in cubes crunching numbers in polos and khakis.

Peace
Walker

Feb 6 2007 9:31AM

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How about the Salomon Patrol helmet for next year? Same shit!

It looks good, get over it.

Feb 6 2007 1:21PM

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Will the Two Stage Brock be differnt than the Brock offerd in your 06/07 line?

Feb 6 2007 2:22PM

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So... you patented a brim on a helmet? Don't take all the credit for that idea, since tons of other helmets had brims before Bern. Maybe not for skiing, but they still had it.

Feb 6 2007 2:30PM

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You put a bill on a helmet, people happened to like it, other companies copied it. It happens all the time in every industry. I'm sure Bern has borrowed some of their design from other places. Don't get me wrong, I wear a Bern helmet, but this isn't that amazing.

Feb 6 2007 2:43PM

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skiRay

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i like the RED a little better

Feb 6 2007 2:47PM

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in all honesty, everyone making one of these helmets basically just copied Capix, who, in turn, copied Rawlings or whoever makes those stupid fucking batting helmets for America's National Pastime (note, pastime, not sport), Baseball.

Feb 6 2007 2:50PM

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i dont think the brimmed helmet idea is what this thread is getting at. if you stuck the baker, g10 mx, capix, any other brimmed helmet and the new red one together, only the baker and the red would look extremely similar.

Feb 6 2007 3:08PM

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its the same with all helmets, look at all the helmets that look like the Giro 9, almost every company has one like it

Feb 6 2007 3:12PM

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All good points, Capix was def. a batters helmet, designed to be worn backwards, or forwards?? That helmet was and is sick, I love Pat Milbury's, that thing is one of the raddest lids ever. I think we were the first to design a fucntional forward wearing visor that was part of the helmet and did not look like a spaceship, maybe other than capix, but ours is our shape not a sort of OEM baseball deal. My only point, and I am just commenting here, is that the point is that one of our competitors models looks exactly like our flagship model helmet the Bern Baker, (available in EPS and Hard Hat two stage Brock)that was everywhere the past two winters, just kind of odd. :)

You can refer to it anyway you want. It is sort of like another model in their line looks just like a giro nine. I just think it is funny that the brand with the most resources in the business plays pool like that sometimes.

All I am doing is commenting on it, trying to talk to you guys. Be alittle more accessible.

But bro, when they put minimum orders for that specific model, when you carry that brand.....it is a little aimed....we are flattered, honestly.

But like I said, all I am doing is just commenting on it, you make your own decision to support whatever brand you want with the money you earn. I still have a ton of repsect for that brand and the others associated with it, busines is what business is, we are just going to keep doing our own thing. I don't have time to comment or read anymore of this thred, peace guys.

God when will it snow??

Feb 6 2007 4:17PM

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when you move west.

Feb 6 2007 4:28PM

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i like the baker better and baker for sure will get them for it

Feb 6 2007 4:44PM

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i didnt think bern helmets were rated for snowsports use - only skating or something?

Feb 6 2007 4:54PM

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I wasn't talking about the g10 and Capix (both came before Bern anyway)...I'm aware that the RED one is a complete ripoff. All I'm saying is that this guy came in here talking like Bern has done something amazing and is now the world leader in helmets, when really they just put a steezy bill on an otherwise standard helmet, and it got copied.

Feb 6 2007 4:58PM

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Burton COPY????? no way that doesnt sound like them at all

Feb 6 2007 5:00PM

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well said. I think i might get the RED though. As Jwalker said, Bern is headed by 3 surf dudes from MA living in a barn. Red has research and development and smart guys working for them and hte proper funding to test their helmets. Still they do look really similar and i think thats low of RED

Feb 6 2007 5:29PM

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