People starting to get smarter then the government?

yea they feed us bullshit....mmmmmhhh bullshit

i like to burn things
i can do a summersault

government = politics
politics = lying
lying = deceiving
therefor the government is deceiving

i think that the media is getting even sneakier in finding stuff out that the government doesn't want us to know. that is why people are realizing it more. like the memos that stated there was no certainty that iraq has/had any weapons of mass destruction. those became public a lil while ago, yet the american public was preached to that iraq was extremely dangerous and we couldn't wait around for them to use those wmd's.

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Any government is going to lie to the citizens about some things. I don't know for sure but it seems a lot better here than in some countries. Think about Iraq when Saddam was in power. He told a ton of lies.

also, in society today trusting things is a lot harder. People used to just accept and believe what other people, corporations, and governments had to say. But in a world where most people are corrupt people have to think twice.
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politicians arent supposed to be smart, they are supposed to be political.


Palestine?

the government is a necessary evil. Theres good reason they don't tell us a lot of things.

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people are realizing that more money is really being put into killing and driving away others, than is going to each family. People aren't behind the US government anymore, because they are thinking around this USA PRIDE! shit, they are seeing the light...C&C Red Alert 2 was right.....

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there is a reason why ppl get so cynical about voting. Gore won by 1/2 a million votes, aka popular votes, and he technically won electorial votes as well, because he did win in florida, by 6 votes. Democracy? Fuck no, if 500,006 ppl are completely insignificant in there RIGHT to elect a leader, then there is no democracy.



Palestine?

By making the popular vote the deciding vote you are making people in remote and less important areas have more insignificant votes.

sorry to say this, but man, they are less important. Whats more important to the economy of a country, its small rural population, or its industrialized heartland. you guys should adopt our system of govt, canuck anyways. Even though the left wingers will hold on for at least 2 more majority govt's


Palestine?

fuck, americans, please don't take anything from our government. its way more fucked up than yours. we need an electoral college type things, because 3/4 the population of the country live in ontario and quebec, the West gets fucked in the ass. and fuck, Alberta and BC are fucking important sources of revenue and natural resources for canada, but we still get fucked.






I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day

machiavelli once wrote that it is better to be feared than hated. If his words still hold true, is our leader doing a good job?
-chris

i assume you're talking about bush. according to machiavelli, bush would be succeeding, but at home we would be failing miserably.






I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day

machiavelii said that a good ruler is feared more than he is loved.. yeah, we had a debate in school if bush was like machiavelli....
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veteran, i take it you vote alliance, since you are a western separatist. Maybe if there werent any regional parties, such as bloc quebecois(even the alliance, ther is no chance in hell there will be an eastern alliance rep), then perhaps there could be a decent opposition against the liberals. Perhaps with Peter Mckay as the new torie leader, we will finally have a non-regional official opposition, or maybe a new govt.


Palestine?

he also said that you should be generous. Because then you will need to go back to people taking their money, and then you will be hated. I think bush is more hated than feared.
-chris

So people in the west in the desert and stuff shouldn't have their needs addressed such as availability of water for home and agricultural use. Just cause you live in New York City, or L.A. doesn't mean the issues addressed in your city are more important than those of any other American living wherever. I'm sorry but the electoral college is the only balance to vernacular issues in this country.

i had no idea things were so bad in the US, but dont be naive to believe that a small town in a rural area is worth 'a hill of beans' in the great scheme of things. Your right, there are needs that must be addressed, or fixed in rural areas. Keyword here is needs. I myself live in the hinterland of my country, same as veteran, our needs are addressed, but we do not have the privelidges that only a great heartland can achieve, and also, where do you think the mainstay of the economy comes from? The urbanized areas. Believe it or not, equalization payments are made, i dont think they are a mistake, but it prooves that a source of economy in the hinterland is getting from the govt, more then it is giving. Where does this access money come from? The industrial heartland.
by the way, my brain is totally fried, so if anything doesnt make sense dont blame me.


Palestine?

we have to pay to live in our fucking house man that is gay

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yeah petek, i do vote alliance. and I wouldnt be a separatist if the federal government got its act into gear and starting treating us like equal provinces. I don't have too much against ontario, they are at least worthy of what they get, its quebec thats the problem. they fuck everything up.

The bloc will probably never go away, and the alliance and tories won't get together because the reform party was originally formed out of tory party because of differences in views. It would be sweet though, cause the party would have support not only in the west and a bit in ontario, but the maritimes as well. But don't stay up for that one, we got a better chance of getting a triple E senate.






I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day

governments are nothing special.
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the electoral college was set up so damn long ago (im not sure the date), and the US has changed quite a bit since the whole 13 original colonies thing, i think there has to be a better way to vote than that

yeah it does need to change, but it has to stay somewhat the same or else states like hawaii, alaska, montana and others will get a royal fucking






I feel bad for people who don't drink, cause when they wake up in the morning, thats the best the're going to feel all day

petek, how far east do you live? cuz i noticed that the majority of maritimers vote NDP...and i have one nagging question, why?

i live in ontario, and once i turn 18, im gonna vote alliance. the liberals are rediculous, and i agree with veteran in the fact that they are royally screwing over the west. the one party that has a chance to win over the liberals is the alliance, so thats the route i will likely take.

and i think that bush is the opposite of a feared leader, from what i have seen he is the most ridiculed leader ever. maybe an illustration might help.

how can you fear a guy like this??


Joel

^ cause hes in charge of the US dude think about it... i mean look at iraq out of the countries that have inflouence with the US the majority of those were agienst the war but the war still happened and after it was over those countries started saying that the war was a good thing.
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i think our whole country is fucked up right now. just think about this. nobody today has any human value left that they care about others (as much as they should) and everyone takes for granted what we have. i think the best thing that could help our country out right now would be a depression. because after the depression in the early 1900's americans came out of it with more value for themselves and would be more careful about things and not take things for granted

wow, judging by the responses in this thread I'd have to strongly disagree with the title of this thread. On a side not how many of you are Canadian, cause frankly a canadians opinion on my country isn't worth its weight in piss. And the same goes for the rest of you your are lawbreakers (druggies, etc.) and uneducated...frankly I believe the uneducated (no secondary education) should be able to vote. just my 2 cents

yoyour artistsform can suck my fukin dick law breaking (drugies)' man your a fukin kook
does me taking drugs affect u in any way no then why should I be considered a law breaker?
is it cause the big bad senetor tels me so??? fuck u man and your fukin gay country, as more on the topic heres a link for u http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htm
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/awaken/skullandbones.htm
http://www.ontopofacloud.com/SkullandBones.htm
these differnt articles show u the truth on whos really controling us.

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The Brotherhood’s goal ... as President George Bush (Skull & Bones 1948) put it ... is to
bring about “A Thousand Points of Light ... under a New World Order. The
Millennium he was talking about begins January 1st 2001, the first day of the third
thousand years.


'I been pimpin since been pimpin since been pimpin.

The recent Universal film “Skulls” is a “nail in the coffin” of America’s most vicious
and vampirian secret society, the Skull and Bones. More information about this cryptic
fraternity will come out as a result of “Skulls” than has hitherto seen the light of day
over the past one hundred and sixty-eight years.

Much of America’s history and our contemporary life has been and is determined by
this goulish Orwellian Satanic Order. Skull and Bones has been referred to by New
Haven “insiders” for a hundred years as the “Brotherhood of Death”. After their
members abandon their individual selves they adopt a secret name. The Skull’s oath and
pledge is likened to The Devil and Daniel Webster where an individual trades his soul
for wealth and power.

The Brotherhood’s goal ... as President George Bush (Skull & Bones 1948) put it ... is to
bring about “A Thousand Points of Light ... under a New World Order. The
Millennium he was talking about begins January 1st 2001, the first day of the third
thousand years.

One word about the Skull and Bones “initiations”. They take place on the Campus of
Yale University in a building they call the Tomb. The recruits lay nude in a coffin while
they take their Satanic rituals. The book Proofs of a Conspiracy written in 1797 by John
Robison of Edinburgh University told of the Illuminati and how its name was derived
from the word Lucifer. Some of the rituals Robison described in his book are identical to
the Bush’s Skull and Bones fraternity which has been around since 1832. Robison was
murdered by the Masons.

The film Skulls correctly depicts the senior initiates laying nude in coffins during their
Satanic rituals. Both the Skull’s script and Dr. Antony Sutton’s book The Secret
Establishment documents the use of human remains by the Skulls (Skull & Bones) in
their cabalistic ceremony. It sounds so bizarre ... few would believe it unless dramatized
the “big picture” on forty foot screens all across the country.

Lee Rogers, who broadcasts out of San Francisco over KSFO’s morning show is one
who still can’t put the pieces together. When a caller made the comparison between the
fictional fraternity Skulls and the factual fraternity of George Bush he just couldn’t
believe it. Knowing nothing on the subject ... Rogers summarily discounted it, crying
“paranoia.” Too often people like Rogers with a big mouth and little knowledge about
the Illuminatti or anything else about conspiratorial politics defend their ignorance by
crying “Paranoia, rather than admitting they simply don’t know. Besides that the
invisible hand of the managed media has labeled it Politically Incorrect.

Rogers, like Rush Limbaugh, parrots the “counterfeit conservatives” line of lip. The
topic of conspiracy been “forbidden”. But now with the Internet, dozens of new books on
the New World Order and the Illiminati are supported by the film. The once secret
subject can no longer be contained. The public is now better informed than some of
these old talk hosts who try to squelch any conversation whatsoever about the “political
puppeteers” behind the scenes pulling the strings of Bush and Gore. They are either
afraid, ignorant or a party to “the big lie and the cover up.”

Rush Limbaugh has slept in the Whitehouse as the personal guest of Skull and Bones
Bush. He has been sailing with Skull and Bones “Brother” William Buckley on his
private yacht . Rush is buddy buddy with the boys from the Brotherhood of Death. It
would not surprise me if they asked Rush to join the CFR so they could claim it included
conservative members besides Buckley and Poppy Bush. Buckley and Bush are both
members of the Council on Foreign Relations, as are nine out of the ten key advisors to
George Bush Jr. The “sole exception” is Richard Armitage who is accused by General
Kun Sa, South East Asia’s leading producer of opium of having been the # 1 buyer of
his heroin in the world.

Don’t count on Rush or any of the other Pink Elephants to mention the Skull and
Bones, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers or any other group from
the Illuminati’s Oligarchy of Evil that control the Country.

David Pappen, President of Harvard, warned Americans of the influence of the
Illuminatti. The Columbian Lodge of the Order in 1785 included Governor DeWitt
Clinton, and subsequently Charles Dana, Clinton Roosevelt and Horace Greeley.
George Washington in a letter to G. W. Snyder in 1798 wrote that the doctrine of the
Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had been spread to the United States. There
is no question about that.

In 1826 William Morgan, who passed through all the Masonic degrees, arranged with a
printer to publish an expose of what he knew of the Illuminati. Morgan was murdered!
Anti-Masonic parties soon formed and elected a number of people to office. Close to one
half of all Masons quit the Masonic religion. General Albert Pike, 33 degree,
Sovereign Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry
and co-founder of the Ku Klux Klan said, “the Masonic Religion should be , by all of
us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.”
Pike went on to proclaim, ... “Yes Lucifer is God ...” ( Morals and Dogma, 1871)

After Morgan’s murder, the cabalistic core needed to retrench with more secrecy and
less “ordinary” people mucking things up. They wanted Illuminati elitists at the core of
the Evilarchy to “maintain the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.” It was then that the
German branch of the Brotherhood of Death was established at Yale by Alphonso Taft
and William Russell. The Skull and Bones began in 1832, fifty-six years after Adam
Weishaupt created the Order and Sect of the Illuminati on May First , 1776. Today the
“Faustian Fraternity” is run by the Russell Trust.

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Pogues didactic drama points out the “Skulls” Satanic Society has been responsible for
the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency and was successful in electing three
presidents. What it doesn’t say is that they are planning to elect a fourth “fellow” from
their fascist fraternity to usher in the “New Millennium” which begins on January 1st,
2001. His name is George Bush Junior. Pogues picture is based on fact, not fiction.
That’s what should scare the Hell out of you.


'I been pimpin since been pimpin since been pimpin.

Esquire magazine published an article by Ron Rosenbaum in September 1977 entitled
The Last Secrets of Skull and Bones which further validates the fraternity ‘s Satanic
nature. Dr. Antony Sutton comments that the article ... “completely misses the
historical significance of Skull and Bones, although is an excellent source of lurid
details and the mumbo-jumbo rites.” What is particularly significant about Rosenbaum’s
piece are the comments made by a group of students who broke into the tomb and
discovered that one room had nothing but Nazi paraphernalia . That stands to reason, as
Prescott Sheldon Bush (George Bush Jr’s grandfather) and W. Averell Harriman
were both stanch supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Harriman and Bush were more than just partners in the support of the Fuherer. They
were both members of the Skull and Bones. In fact Averell’s brother E. Roland
Harriman (Skull and Bones 1917) was a director of Union Banking Corporation of
New York which was a major money source in underwriting Hitler’s Holocaust. The gas
bills alone were enormous. Two of the Union Bank’s directors Groninger and
Kouwenhoven, were Nazi directors of the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart, formerly
the von Heydt Bank. In the book Hitler’s Secret Backer they identify Von Heydt as the
intermediary between Guaranty Trust and Adolf Hitler. Union Bank was a joint
Thyssen/Harriman operation.

Fritz Thyssen was happy with Hitler, he even wrote a piece entitled I Paid Hitler. Fritz
was proud of it. He stood up in 1932 after Hitler addressed the Dussedorf Industrial
Club and shouted “ Heil Herr Hitler.” Enough said? Out of the eight directors of
Thyssen’s bank in New York six were either Nazis or members of the Skull and Bones.
The book Hitler’s Secret Backers admits that the major overseas conduit for the
backing of the Nazi movement came from Skull & Bones cell D115.

In the 1920’s Skull & Bonesman W. Averell Harriman had been a participant in
Ruskobank the first Communist Commercial bank, as well. President George Bush,
son of Senator Prescott Bush who was Harriman’s partner, was the first unofficial
Ambassador to Communist China. Bush and Winston Lord, another member of the
Brotherhood of Death courted Mao Tse-tung and paved the way for the build up of
America’s arch enemy Communist China.
'I been pimpin since been pimpin since been pimpin.

In an article about Yale’s elitist fraternity author Duncan Maxwell Anderson describes
how the Skull & Bones founder, William H. Russell, had gone to Germany “with
members of a university fraternity that had ties to a radical Masonic group called the
Barvarian Illuminati.” Los Angeles Times Service June7, 1987


'I been pimpin since been pimpin since been pimpin.

^ wow, thats a lotta reading......

anyway, if the rural areas don't really matter in the popular votes, how in the fuck did we elect bush?!?!?!?!?

i'm sorry, i really just think that bush is a moron, but that's just me.......
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did bush really fall off that self-balanced scooter thing?

haha ive seen one-legged 100 year olds who can ride those better than he can


Joel

or maybe the goverments getting dummer than the people.

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Be your fucking slef.-Bob_Dole

bush sucks ass- hes putting more than 300 billion dollars into the military every year, which is more than 50 percent of the unitedstates governments gross yearly income. that means he puts more money into fucking killing people than into healthcare, welfare, public services and education combined with everything else we spend money on.

yeah bush definately feel off of a segway. theres a pic on cnn.com from last week.

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that whole conspiercy thing sounds like a bunch of shit to me. i mean come on we arn't in a movie.
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MidWest Is The Shit
Fuck The Ghetto

yo LukeMWSki u have been brought up to belive that shit the conspircy stuff is true your just to stupid to understand
'I been pimpin since been pimpin since been pimpin.

whoa mogul barron, maybe you should shut the hell up and go lounge back in your socialistic little government, where you can sit back and smoke yourself into the hospital so hardworking canadians can pay for your worthless ass to get better and got through rehab, and stay the fuck out of our countries business!!!

who ever said the depression would be good for us is a fucking idiot.... the only thing that brought us out of the last one was WWII if not for WWII the united states would have fallen apart. really how could you type something like that and be for real.... did you even think?
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MidWest Is The Shit
Fuck The Ghetto

no i support my county you have been grown up to belive all this shit JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE RIPPING ON BUSH
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MidWest Is The Shit
Fuck The Ghetto

smarter 'then' the government. haha

maybe 'than'? is that what you meant?

fucking moron.



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yeah I noticed that too, kinda detracts from his whole arguement