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The illest things to happen on skis will NEVER be seen on film....
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Greetings all,
This is something I have been thinking about lately. To many people think that they need to film like every fucking thing they do on skis and then show it to us on NS or whatever, thinking that we care. Some may care, but I usually dont. Just get the fuck out there and ski and throwdown and quit worrying about setting up your camera, filming. You are just holding yourself back a ton as far as progression goes by wasting all that time worrying about 'getting the shot'. Get out there and start worrying about improving your skiing skills instead of getting that 270 on shot that you think will get you sponsored. The only reason people do urban anymore is to film it. No one just does it for the sake of hitting a rail.
So just get out there and live in the moment and take it for what its worth. share that sick moment with the people around you or just yourself and dont worry that we wont see it on some edit on NS or that someone else didnt see that fatty trick you just landed. If you really have skill, people will notice it without watching your gay rail video if you are serious about it and compete.
This goes for companies out there who sponsor riders too, get the fuck out of your office and get out there in the real elements and see who REALLy throws down. Enough of this send me a sponsor me video. Fuck that, we dont all have a dedicated filmer to tag along with us. Use your own fucking eyes and see who is good or not. And dont be so fucking greedy with free gear, hand that shit out like free food in the middle east. Enough of the politics bullshit that has spread into our sport.
This thread spawns from some of the 4bi9 shit that i see on here all the time like "OMG did you see our Edit!!111" No i didnt, because I dont care about how good you are, I care about my own skills and perfecting those.
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this post wont change nething your wasting your time writing it while u could be out in the park improving your style....and if people film it can speed up progression..it gives u a reason to get better and improve your skill
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you got somewhat of a point, but i like watching videos.
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I'm sure whoever owns salomon does not have the time to go out and ride with every 15 year old who want's to be spanccesronidd by them. It's a lot easier if they can watch 20 seconds of a spainsecer me vid, and say "NOPE, you suck"
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HIGH FIVE
But if look at it the other way, maybe for these people, what they really liek doing is filming and producing these edits/films. It's really just opinion, in which everyone can do whatever they want.
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i agree. just yesterday my friends and i hit our first urban. we didnt film it. we just wanted to see what it was like, we didnt want to be the kind of people that always talk about doing something but never do it. I must say, my preception of urban before going was just (like you said) "the only reason to urban is to film it, seems lame to actually do it." but i was wrong. it turned out to be really intense, rewarding and fun. if you just go out and ski with the purpose of having fun, you will not only enjoy it more but also probably progress more along the way.
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self rightiousness will get you no where in life. Well itll get you a black eye.
Maybe people like filming,
Maybe people like being on film, it may be vain, but some people are like that.
I am, I love filming, being behind and in front of the camera. (even though im pretty bland at both sides)
Some people just dont care. Being on film can help your progression.. you can improve your technique and work out any flaws that are stopping you from getting better.
And whats wrrong with showing people your ski qualities on line?
on the othr hand, some people hate it.
so whatever, go participate kid.
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i agree to a certain degree, some ppl film stupid shit that isnt worth watching but i liek to watch the good vidoes and if you have someone who likes to film u can still work on ur skiing
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you have a good point. i mean there is no doubt that people should be skiing cus love it and in most cases, mine included to challenge themsleves and improve. however I also like filming. I dont do it every waking moment of the day, but i think it is good to have footage and be able to promote yourself plus it can be useful to look at yourself to help improvement and making edits and stuff can be pretty fun.
although I do definetly agree that reps should get out and see kids ski WAY more. filming doesnt show how they really ski. you might have a sweet season edit but most of the footage could only be from a few days during the year cus you were skiing well those days but the rest of the days you suck cus your not consistent, and consistency is key.
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I kinda liked what you were saying at first but then it just got way over the top, and besides filming and editing is fun a lot of the time. While I ride without a camera most of the time it is always fun to get a big crew together and throw down for the camera...everyone almost always goes s little bigger or tries something new if its on film, this just helps to make you a better rider and progress the sport. As for the sponsorship rant...thats just silly, theres no way that big companies can put reps at hills all over the world to watch for new, good riders. If your that good either put together a video or go compete and try to make a name for yourself. And the reason lots of kids who film has nothing to do with sponsorship. They just do it for fun and so other people can have a good time watching it.
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yeah and some people like to ski and then go in and get their camera out when they want to film because not everyone can just go out and ski everyday. having some footage to edit can also help people to progress because they can look at themselves and figure out what they could do different or what they could try the next time. i dont carry a camera around all the time but some kids may. i like to ski and on the side just film some stuff if i feel like it or if i know that i will want to edit something later on
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your view is one sided. why on earth would companies go out to skihills and look for good riders when they can have those riders send videos to them plus when running a ski company they dont usually have time to go and look for riders at the ski hills. u dont have to send in videos to get sponsered either. at most comps that i have attended they have scouts there that will sponser the winner of the comp. why would you give stuff away for free if you can make money off it.
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it was completely pointless to bring 4bi9 into this. most people love watching the edits and the skiers are dope too.
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No one has to film, not everyone does. some people do, because they like skiing, and then they like video editing. its something fun to edit and be creative with. If you dont want to film, then dont. I dont film, but I dont have a problem with other people doing it. they are integrating multiple passions and interests.
Sure, it seems like most people are totally into filming and stuff, but thats probobly because you only hear about these people through their films.
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dude, i understand where you are coming from, and yes NS has many worthless edits, but i really enjoy filming and editting, its another fun part of skiing for me, I also enjoy watching the edits, its a nice distractions from HW on a wed. night. I don't really think that every edit is meant to be a promo for the rider. So i really can not fully understand your rant, but to each his own
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No one said you guys have to agree with me at all. I'm interested in what you have to say for sure.
I agree filming shit and then watching it later can be real fun/rewarding. I definately do it sometimes, but I hate being the only filmer. No one ever wants to film when I'm with my crew, we all just want to ride our hearts out and do some tight shit. Editing is dope too. Im not saying that everyone should just quit filming, its just a different perspective is all.
In my experience filming with a big crew doesnt really cause progression, just SKIING with a crew does though.
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What do you mean dont be so greedy with the gear?
Cause if they gave a ton out its not good for their company
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heh. Not neccessarily mang. Im not saying give out like skis and shit, more like maybe a hat, tshirt etc. This sport isnt cheap and we as skiers spend ALOT of fucking money. Companies dont really give us anything back, we pay for everything with our own money. Giving out shit not only gets your name out there and that you are a core company, it also just tells the skiers that they care about you and are willing to sacrifice a little money to put a smile on a skiers face knowing that other human beings care about him/her and want them to get stoked on the sport or their gear.
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okay i get what you are saying and I do agree with that.
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Callling 4bi9 was not necessary at all. how about you think about the other side of things:
SOME KIDS ENJOY SKIING TO GET THE SHOT
yea, it''s lame if you are doing it becuase you think it's what you should be doing, or it's not for yourself, but if people enjoy it, it's exactly the same.
We all enjoy filming skiing, making edits, posting them. It's fun to us. Therefore, calling us on it is either
a. hypocritical, becuase you are arguing kids should ski to have fun, and that's fun to us
or
b. Ignorant, because you didn't take the time to figure it out before you posted.
So are you hypocritical or ignorant?
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i personally love to film, being able to see yourself on film will also help your skiing showing you what kind of rotation your doing or how much further to get that grab. i dont film and edit to get sponsored i just want to have fun and maybe sell a movie one day.
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haha, yous sound kinda depressed
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i like going out there and skiing and having a great time but its also fun to take the camera out for a couple hours and get some shots to make an edit when im off the hill, i dont do it, just to post it, i do it cuz i like making edits
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Word to that man... at the same time kids will be kids and it will only take growing up to get to that point.
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I disagree most of the time with giving out hats and stuff because it would hurting the company. They would be loosing money that could be going into new technology and loosing people who might have paid money for a hat if they had not gotten it for free. When you say that "companies dont really give us anything back" it is very untrue. Most of there time and work diffinetly go into making very sick products and raising the bar. Most of the money comes from you in exchange for the product of that time and work. So you pay them in money and they pay you in equipment. It would be okay to give away some more basic stuff sometimes if they need more exposure but not just to give stuff away.
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man ..fuck what if you like filming and it makes you try harder stuff i know it helps me when i am getting filmed i will try way harder stuff and i watch it to seee what i can do to improvhat trick or my style and what the fuck do u care ifother ppl are filmon shit ..dont watch it..just because they want ppl to notice them doesnt meen that yo have to sit her and reem on them ..some of us wanna ski or snowboard proffesionly and to get your starting sponser you have to send in your tape not a lot of the owners will come and watch you so stop bitching at ppl for doing what they want to do.
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I dont film to be sponsored and i havent posted any of my stuff in years.
I film to look back at the fun me and friends had. And to watch how I've improved over the years.
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i agree. then again i agree with everything u say because of your icon.
but ive grown to like 4bi9 a little more, only because of the edits itself. i hate all the people who arent in it and think its cool so they 'rep' it, cuz thats not cool.
i agree with what u said, i rarely film and my best stuff comes without the camera i know that, but i do like to watch some film too
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when i plan on doin something special, i usually like to film so if i get hurt its there. but also, filming allows you to analyze and improve upon ;your tricks. also, when hitting urban its good to have a camera for filming the dangers and because if you get it, you wanna see you getting it. when i ski in the park i dont film
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then again, by most people's standards on here, if it's not on film, it didn't happen.
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ey man fuck you filming helps me get better this is gonna seem gay but when we film i tend to go bigger and do better shit and you dont need a deticated filmer you just need coperation so one person films for a little then anouther films its not that hard
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u mean u guys do stuff that isnt on film sometimes.
why the fuck have i been paying this film crew every day since i joined NS.
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except some people enjoy filming
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You have absolutely no idea what your talking about...go die in a fire you RETARD!!!!!!
jk
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Conceptkid: You are an idiot. Team managers and reps don't have time to go sit at some park at some little mountain freezing their ass off to do what you want them to do. If you want to get support, you have to actually put some effort out to make it happen.
Again, you are an idiot.
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you do know some people enjoy filming and taking pictures dont you?
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Ya idea is great true skiing isn't about getting tricks on film its having fun no one started skiing to get sponsered or film it was to have fun and thats what everyone should be doing but 4Bi9 is dope they ski for fun even when they film so it's all good
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What about people that go out for half the day and ride and progress themself then start filming so they can watch what they did to make themself even better? Whats wrong with that? Personally i love filming, when the camera comes out i get the tricks i know i can get then i push myself to somthing i didnt think i could get. Yeah your right who gives a fuck about other people and what their doing but can you honestly say you dont enjoy watching a sick edit or movie when you cant be skiing?
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Most companies have people that are sponsored by them throughout the regions of the USA, or representatives that can go out and check what people's skills are. There's a small amount of this going on, but not nearly as much as what needs to be happening to see how kids really do. Some people spend hours on one trick getting that down, but can they throw it down in a contest on the third run? On the time that it really counts?
Companies sponsor to advertise, that's basically it. They don't want people who look good on tape, they want people who do well in competition.
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FIGHT THE POWER!!!!
i'm really down with this thread.
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good points
its just when people claim shit and say stuff
the only real proof is vid
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Word except that some like to film, and some like to claim and they need proof, so film's the only viable solution.
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i've deff tried stuff because we were filming that i would normally never try. so as far as im concerned more people should be filming.
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i dont film stuff unless ists just at my house..or the end of the season normally unless im workin on a new trick and i need to see what im doin wrong....ex:now my front flips gotta learn how to tuck more......but it can help you learn
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