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Advice on a 360

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murrman151
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So I have been agressively skiing for the last two years, and I am confident in doing 180's, but I just don't have the balls to pull a 360. I am looking for advice in the technique... I have seen look up the hill and the like, but honestly the jumps I pull 180's are more like moguls, so there is hardly time to look up the hill. Do I turn with my body, my arms, my head, what? A lot of you are going to tell me to grow a pair and hit bigger jumps, but I want to get the basics before I put my bones at risk. Thanks in advance for any advice
Jan 12 2007 4:09AM
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michael_bc
Posts: 1317 - Karma: 415
It's much easier on a big, smooth kicker.

When you rotate off a mogul you have to huck.
To rotate off a kicker you have to spin.

It's much more dangerous on a mogul than it is on a kicker. You can spin with your head, shoulders, or hips, whatever feels more comfortable for you.

First make sure you are very comfortable on the kicker doing straight airs and 180s.

The easy trick is to take a house or a tree or a big orange object behind the kicker, and as you pop off, you look over your shoulder until you see the object and then you land. But after you get that try watching the landing, and try spinning with your shoulders or even better with your hips.

360 are also very easy to practice in your bedroom. Same principle take an object right in front of you, jump up, look over your shoulder to focus on the object en stomp it. Then, wind your body up like a spring: you turn your shoulders 180 degrees, jump up, focus on the same object and off you go. Finally, do the same with your arms crossed, so you are forced to spin with your hips. Haha.
Jan 12 2007 5:56AM
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Aerozol
Posts: 1124 - Karma: 488
uhm since this is a matter of hucking one for the first time, do them on the flat by the lift, just spread your legs apart, swing with your arms, and spin 360... until you get it

then do it while moving
etc


you can post here later about how to spin more stylie because you've gotten used to using your arms too much after you've learnt them.
but that's what you have to do when doing them off a small jump anyway
Jan 12 2007 8:02AM
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xnick11
Posts: 1866 - Karma: 171
I would try off a small jump first. Then take it to the bigger ones once you learn how to spin them slow.
Jan 12 2007 10:05AM
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Pigletpen
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its alot harder to spin off some bump on the hill vs a jump.

Jan 12 2007 11:57AM
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NGA
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aggressive alpine skiing!
Jan 12 2007 11:58AM
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Rez4frederick
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Keep going bigger and spinning faster on your 180's until you feel like you could just bring the 360 around easy, imagine just running up to a bump and jumping on your feet and doing a 3, then do it with skis on.  If the bump is big enough, you could 3 it going pretty slow and even if you dont make the complete 360 spin, you can just butter (meaning spin on your skis without catching edges basically) out of it.
Jan 12 2007 12:22PM
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Shifty540
Posts: 1843 - Karma: 21
Good advice here so far. I just started throwing 3s and what helped me get it was looking hard over my shoulder like everyone else says. I used to only do a half assed look, and as a consequence id land at like 270 and kept bruising my hip. Just I now have my shoulder turned to the side as I hit the jump, get a clean pop and just look over the shoulder hard.
Jan 12 2007 12:30PM
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Rossiscratch
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the key to any spin, is to bring your head with you. when you start to spin look over the shoulder of the side your spinning too and you will be good.
Jan 12 2007 12:32PM
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murrman151
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Thanks for all the help, it all makes a lot of sense...
Jan 12 2007 2:08PM
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Wis_Skier_23
Posts: 2263 - Karma: 245
ight man I had the same trouble as you did...ill give you my advice on what i did for my first 3.....forget trying it off a mogul....try throwing one off a jump where you get like 4-6' of air not too much that you should have fear but just enough to get it around...so just approach the jump with a wide stance about shoulder width apart....dont really worry about your legs on the spin, as you come to the lip pop and turn your upper body whichever direction you may spin...a great way that i practice my spins is basically find something on the wall such as a clock or painting, face the opposite way of the object you choose and turn you upper body and try and look at that clock or whatever, this will teach you to keep your head turned around....just basically keep your head turned and you body will follow.....best of luck to ya
Jan 12 2007 3:54PM
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ijibgoremtn
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yea just turn your head with your arms that way the rest of you follows smoothly
Jan 12 2007 11:56PM
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hartig
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i'm a mur-man pops. MUR-MAN!
Jan 12 2007 11:58PM
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shishkababy
Posts: 114 - Karma: 112
see if you can practice on a trampoline - worked really well for me, only problems that it doesnt simulate slope
Jan 13 2007 12:35AM
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Mr.Bell
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throw yourself off a jump...remebr to prewind and turn your head to the shoulder in the direction u spoinning...u will complete the spin for sure
Jan 13 2007 12:38AM
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Wis_Skier_23
Posts: 2263 - Karma: 245
this works for some...I use to do this, but it eventually screwed up my spin...its up to you how you wanna try it
Jan 13 2007 1:13AM
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steezyjibber
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huck hard
Jan 13 2007 8:26AM
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TheQuailman
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if you dnt use the searchbar this year, youll be one year older when you do
Jan 13 2007 10:21AM
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CoachG
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bro, my mountain is the same shit, we dont have organized jumps. But you do have the balls to throw a 360 off anything. It's all about how much you want it and how determined you are to stomp it. There's really no advice on spinning because everyone spins how they feel comfterable. The only advice really is to keep your skis a little wider stance, dont wedge, and wind your arms just a little more than how you would when you 180, you dont have to wind hard at all. Dont wind too early though. Once your in the air just keep making your hips and shoulders turn in the direction you want to go and dont stop spinning till you get it. I threw my first 3 on twins off a bump that only allowed for a foot and a half of air and 5 feet of distance so its def possible to throw one off your mogul like bumos or w/e. Just keep trying, you'll get it.
Jan 13 2007 10:24AM
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Wis_Skier_23
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moguls tend to throw you up in the air and unless you know how to do 3's it is more difficult to do them off moguls at least for me
Jan 13 2007 12:36PM
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manabadman
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i was in your predicament, just last year. Having no park to practise regularly i had to make do with any humps and bumps i could find off of the piste.
So one day i saw these racer skiers skiin around after a race comp having ago at 3's on this shitty little hump thing but just getting about 270 round. So i thought fuck it, i am wearing a pair of twintips and these racers come by and spin more than i have. So i just went for it and stomped it, felt so good. Im looking to go to a couple of parks this year and go down to my local dry slope(i live in england so no snow for me, just rain and coldness)and get some 7's stomped.
Jan 13 2007 1:05PM
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mkotten
Posts: 290 - Karma: 19
you don't have to have a big kicker you can do one of a 15 foot one easily, that's where i did my first one.
Jan 13 2007 1:29PM
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seider
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https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/254257/
Jan 13 2007 1:34PM
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K2skipunk
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i have the same problem, i can throw on flat ground 180's, but when i go off a jump i just cant seem to spin that extra 180. when i do the 1's on flat, i spin fast, but off jumps i cant spin fast. like wtf? haha
Jan 13 2007 2:38PM
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Wis_Skier_23
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your probably turning your head only part of the way around....my advice is to keep you head and spine twisted as far as you can go, if you stay coiled up you will keep spinning...trampolines help you get the concept of compacting into a small ball...if you lead with you head your body will follow
Jan 13 2007 3:08PM
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K2skipunk
Posts: 2837 - Karma: 111
the thing is i can do like 720's, or more on a tramp, and cant do 3's on skis. illo try wat u said on skeeze though, thanks!
Jan 13 2007 3:10PM
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CaliforniaDouble
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Try it in pow first! No pain when you screw it up...
Jan 13 2007 3:18PM
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C.J.
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yeah, but harder to land in.
Jan 13 2007 3:24PM
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CoachG
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yea good advice staying colied makes the difference
Jan 13 2007 4:36PM
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Wis_Skier_23
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yea its how i learned...now i dont even think about it i just do it
Jan 13 2007 4:55PM
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Charles^stevens
Posts: 859 - Karma: 341
truly 360s are the hardest i would try a 1080 first . thats proably why iam in a wheel chair today
Jan 13 2007 8:13PM
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Jake...
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haha thats what i thought of too.
Jan 13 2007 8:50PM
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norbastradamus
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yah the head over the shoulder is the trick, just dont pussy out and your gonna get it for sure
Jan 13 2007 9:00PM
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outerlimitz
Posts: 639 - Karma: 14
I pretty much had taught myself 360's until last year. I was doing the approach the jump, prewind shoulders, and let the legs follow. At soldiers camp in Tahoe last march, I learned that it was completely wrong. A 360 off a reasonably sized jump, 15ft+ requires no prewind at all. Just a rotation innitiated with the hips is all that is required. Prewinding and rotating with the shoulders leads to getting off-axis and out of control spins.
Jan 13 2007 9:07PM
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Edew19
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i just got them down last year. For me it was more about confidence, whenever i got to the 180 point i would stop because it was what i was used to. When i stopped thinking about it the extra 180 got much easier.
Jan 16 2007 11:38PM
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slaydave
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im sick of these "how do i do a 360" threads... learn to spin like everyone else did... fucking try it... eat shit... get up and try it again...
Jan 16 2007 11:47PM
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Gtweaker
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if u move ur head sharply ur body will follow
Jan 16 2007 11:48PM
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SHastatahoe
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open up your body, then tighten it back in a certain direction, turn your head, and spot your landing. its like a 180, but dont stop at the 180 point, just keep your momentum. its hard to understand until you can do it, but its pretty simple.
Jan 17 2007 12:03AM
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Krazy_Karl
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try looking at www.niftytricks.com

its a realy good site for ski tricks
Jan 17 2007 12:06AM
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Powder_JR
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dont prewind. Its wrong and it looks terrible. Find a small jump or biuld a small jump. 10 feet is good. make sure to pop off the jump to keep balance and keep your head turned till you see the landing. That is most peoples biggest problem. they stop looking before coming around or as I use to do, get nervous and stop at a 180 cause its comfortable. Turn your head and commit to it.
Jan 17 2007 2:37AM
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pat_0101
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^you beat me to it!

Anyways, i stopped reading so if this a repeat, my bad. Your body will follow your head, so prewind your arms in the opposite to build momentum, then turn your head and torso as you leave the bump/jump. I found that if you try to grab safety (on the ski under the boot)you will be both more stable in the air and spin a bit faster.

And unfortunitally for you, it is much easier to throw them off larger features (not moguls, though people can do it on flat ground) so you may want to find a table at your park marked small or medium for best results. Try and get a buddy to video you and it'll help you to see what you're doing right/wrong
Jan 17 2007 2:46AM
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SHastatahoe
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Negative, when he gets better at throwin 3s of anything, he'll understand, but opening then closing is a nice way of doing it, he wants to land it, once he does it he'll do it a lot and get it. it wont develop into a habit, it'll push him to a new level.
Jan 17 2007 2:54AM
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Jorgen.
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good advice
Jan 22 2007 11:44PM
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nitsua
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yea its always fun to fall in powder too. but not many people have that chance
Jan 22 2007 11:51PM
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Calvin.
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should i rotate my shoulders the opposite way i'm gonna rotate before launching??
Feb 14 2007 10:59PM
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S2daJ
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pre spinning is just hype.. all you need to do is turn your head to the side you spin and look over your shoulder...
Feb 14 2007 11:01PM
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SHastatahoe
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Huck and pray
Feb 15 2007 12:07AM
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charmander
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pre spinning can help
but i leanred 3's on a dog sized jump landed 2nd try...
just spread your legs and huck but you have to commit your rotation.dont worry about how you look at first just land it thats whats important
Feb 15 2007 12:46AM
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LostValleyPowMan
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just wrap your arms and look back over your shoulder- you'll spin- oh and growing testicles might help
Feb 15 2007 7:51AM
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Lizz091
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I suggest you try off small jumps first, Thats what I did. Rotate like you do for the 180, just spin your head in a 360 and your body will follow.
Feb 15 2007 9:08AM
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