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Burton skis

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kepler.
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i know theres a thread of this already but it died out a while ago. i'm hearin more and more rumors that burton will indeed have a ski out next year or by the latest two seasons from now. i'm totally against it and don't want this to happen. the only good i see coming otu of it is more snowboarders converting. has anyone heard anything, if so are you for or against it?
Dec 28 2006 2:56PM
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skogenjake
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yeah i just read the whole thread now.
skiing should be kept skiing. fuck a burton ski. its weird, no matter how i try to think of the pro's to the situation, my mind just is hitting me with "wtf are you thinking. are you serious?". its like a subconscious problem with this whole situation. as i said above, this would potentially fuck our independents. armada, 4frnt, surface, liberty...

freeskiing is taking off on our own. we are having fun doing it, so why so focused on the "future of our sport and progression". we have fun. thats enough. our sport stays alive. i know burton had the spiltboard. it was an innovative idea, so they thought they'd try it. its not helping our industry to make that. its burton. its a snowboard.

burton outerwear/goggles...whatever. thats a few hundred, and is already in every fucking store. its worn, but it isnt a core product. its not the fucking sticks themselves. burton skis. probably not "burton" branded, but like a new title. either way, seriously that undercuts our core product. they can charge less, they can afford it, they are a monster, just like a nike would be. im sorry i dont give a shit if you have a logical rebuttle to what i said, i seriously cant see burton being good making skis. im totally opposed. fuck that.
Dec 31 2006 9:24PM
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BigJew
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You have a problem with Burton doing it, but what's wrong with Salomon, Rossignol, and Dynastar? They're all big companies.
Dec 31 2006 9:33PM
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=nick=
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theyre ski companies, haha
Dec 31 2006 9:41PM
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KingTaco
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its legit and ill prolly buy some next year if its true. i need some pics first
Dec 31 2006 10:01PM
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SkierX
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They are also snowbaord, snowshoe, hiking boot, random shit makers.

Face it. Burton would be no different than any other company in skiing today. Except that they have some pretty innovative technology on their boards, and it would force ski companies to adapt and create new ideas to revive and rejuvenate the ski market.

Ohhhhh, we have Armada, wonderful, they aren't THAT much different than you're average ski in the end. Skiing needs innovative technology and ideas.
Dec 31 2006 11:33PM
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Swick825
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agreed
Dec 31 2006 11:56PM
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RRP-llc
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No, it is not seperate. Analog is a seperate company, Anon is a seperate company. Ronin is just a line in Burton outerwear. Audex is also a line. Just like the 1080 is now a line of skis from Salomon as is the X Wing series.

Yes Ronin has different designs and features, so does the AK clothing. Check www.burton.com to see for your self. Red, Gravis, Analog and Anon are all seperate companies. Everything else is Burton.

--rick
Jan 1 2007 11:53AM
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tecno_pro
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i think your right
Jan 1 2007 12:12PM
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fil.p
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in my opinion burton would have a huge "positive" impact on the skiing world if u consider skiing going mainstream. i don't know about you but i personally like being one of the few freeskiers in the t'rain park. sure i get some glares from some retarded ass boarders who think they're the shit. but most of my friends are boarders so i'm fine with boarding. i just find that burton would bring innovation to freesking but it would also make everyone think who changed from skiing to boarding that skiing is "cool" again. and it's obviously just a ploy to make more money, like most companies like armada and line and what not. but we can just live in the lie that those companies are dedicated to skiing for a bit, can't we?
Jan 1 2007 1:06PM
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olly.
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ya i dont think burton should start making skis
Jan 1 2007 1:25PM
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eyeLiektoSkee
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i dont see whats wrong with it. They make nice clothes and good snowboards, whats wrong with them making skis especially if they turn out to be good ones?
Jan 1 2007 1:33PM
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tyfighter
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When it happens they won't put the burton name on them, they will use another name like red. It will happen and it probably will happen soon.

it won't hurt skiing or snowboarding it will just give everyone in this forum another product to bash and praise like you all do on everything else.

Jan 1 2007 1:37PM
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salomonskiier12
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the greatest thing about skiing is that not everyone does it and twintippers are a rare sight and are all different.  As much as i want the sport to grow, I would really hate to see every single person on the mountain skiing on twintips...
Jan 1 2007 1:54PM
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kepler.
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o tyson...theres nothing else to do when are hills are covered with a sheet of mud. but i agree it won't hurt the industry, i'm just not likin the idea, maybe if it was another company who hasn't bashed skiing for the past 10 years.

but everyone can't deny, if they are good skis we will buy them. no doubt about it. we might not like the idea of it (like he said tho, they probably won't say burton) but they will sell
Jan 1 2007 2:04PM
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skogenjake
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ok the fact remains they are primarily ski companies. burton making a ski is in a position to dominate our market. and are you seriously downplaying armada? you are on fucking newschoolers. show some respect for one of our greatest companies. armada created so many innovative and sick ass skis. the arg is an idea k2 wish they had. k2 tried, but armada went the whole distance in the idea. changing the entire shape is a huge advancement. armada isnt that innovative? on line's carbon fiber stringers...several years ago. common.
Jan 1 2007 2:10PM
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salomonskiier12
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im sorry, but i just can't see burton making skis after having such a large name in the snowboarding industry.

Jan 1 2007 2:37PM
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ijibgoremtn
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ok i hate burton not because they are snowboard but because they have shitty mounts on their snowboards, that aside if they make skis thatd be cool if they were good and does anyone know where this rumor came from cuz it could just be fake and Lib Tech a big skate/snowboard company made skis why not burton skiing is becoming more and more like snowboards we thrash the park like they started but now we are better
Jan 1 2007 4:48PM
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Literature
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 Your bias clouds your judgement about Armada. While they make sick product, it is by no means revolutionary. The ARG resembles the Spatula in many ways (rocker, dimentions), and the Spatula has been out for several years. The idea of a floppy buttery park ski like the THall has been out since the creation of the Fujative. The changing of cores and different stringers has been out for several years now as well, appearing in the 1260 from Line at least 3 years ago.  Armada may make great skis, but they are not revolutionary.

If you want to talk revolutionary, look at the Magnetraction skis being put out by Lib-Tech, a snowboard company. Do you see this tech anywhere else in the industry? No. If it is as good as some of the reports I have heard, then other companies will copy it in the future.

Much like when Rossi bought Look and went into the binding market, if Burton enters the ski arena they will probably buy a ski company to have some idea of what they are doing. This would be no different.

At the top levels, the massive "ski" companies do not care about skiing, they care about money. This same mentality is probably the case at Burton. I find it rediculous that many otherwise sane people on this site defend companies that do not care about them, but then turn around and find it abhorrent to have one more company that does not care about them in the market. If you will not change your opinion in the face of new information or a correct and coherent argument, you are a fool.

Jan 1 2007 5:33PM
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Scolson
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Palmer is making skis.
Jan 1 2007 6:16PM
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tyfighter
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but palmer has not made a habit for the past 10 years bashing skiers!
Jan 1 2007 9:11PM
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TheQuailman
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good thing
Jan 1 2007 9:12PM
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nedward
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true very true
Jan 1 2007 9:22PM
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-Tristan-
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burton isnt even a very good snowboard company, they straight up lied about havin the lighest board on the market. elan makes the lightest board and they have for a while
Jan 1 2007 10:01PM
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SteezeNINE
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Ill believe it when I see it and didnt they bash skiing a while ago oh well whatever who cares I bet no one will really buy them anyways
Jan 1 2007 10:35PM
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skogenjake
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you were going fine until you ended insulting me, which was completely unnecessary. and i didnt say armada had the carbon fiber stringer, i said it was line.

now that thats out of the way, i think its important for you to realize how new the freeskiing industry is. 1080's hit in '99. snowboarding has a good decade on us. We havent had the time to do that research, since we ARE years behind. look at the improvements and changes our industry HAS made- from 1080 to ARG or Fujative. As an industry, we're progressing.

Lets see how the Lib Tech Magnetraction works out. They've been making snowboards for quite some time, hence more time to develop this technology. we all get it, snowboard companies have these cool technological ideas. well how about you give us time, and look at what we HAVE done and are doing.

This thread is talking about Burton making skis. not buying another exisiting ski company. Our smaller companies do care. They have reps on this site, they are out at your local mt., they send you free shit if you ask nicely or sometimes even just do it randomly.

you're so pessimistic and negative. i swear, get therapy. ulcers will develop.
Jan 2 2007 12:46PM
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J_Walk
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word

Jan 2 2007 8:04PM
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solitaryman
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omg did you not just see in his previous post that he said that he used to have anon's but he went back to oakley's to support skiing. HOLY FUCK you're an incomprehensive dickhead

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Jan 2 2007 8:35PM
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kepler.
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^^whered did you come from??
Jan 2 2007 8:49PM
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grams.
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^gotta love the noods just starting to own ppl left and right...thats the future of NS
Jan 2 2007 9:00PM
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max.
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I say keep an open mind. Yes, it could hurt skiing by taking buisiness from companies like armada and line, but its a huge compliment to freeskiing. Even the notion of burton to make skis is a sign that freeskiing has grown so big, especially with burtons history. Burton sees that the boarders are sitting at the top of the park and the skiers are killing it. They probally said "we could make a lot of money in freeskiing", and not "freeskings dope" but I wouldnt hate a bigger selection of quality skis.

Jan 2 2007 9:33PM
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eyeLiektoSkee
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if they make skis that are better than a 4frnt or line or armada or whatever.. i will buy them
Jan 2 2007 9:44PM
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kepler.
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i really wish it wasn't
Jan 2 2007 9:57PM
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Stan_Darsh
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it would definatley be a good thing. i bet they would make some sikc skis
Jan 2 2007 10:13PM
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Joeski59
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Burton skis would be sick
im a big skier
and all there boards are sweet
and there clothes are sweet
y not
theres nothing bad about it
maybe a few gays on trays will become dicks on sticks
so wat
Jan 2 2007 10:18PM
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SkierX
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Care to explain why you don't want people skiing twin-tips?

Is it because you are freeskiing to be cool? Or because you enjoy it?
Jan 2 2007 10:33PM
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Literature
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I apoligize for insulting you, but this is what I was refering to. Simple obstinace does noone any good. It is ridiculous to argue an opinion when the facts point in the other direction.
Jan 3 2007 12:59AM
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Literature
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I know that the first years AR5 had a carbon stringer in the tail, but I do not know about the later years.

Jan 3 2007 1:01AM
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skogenjake
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i said line started it.

and im argueing something on a message board. im taking a side in a debate. i could very well say what you said above to you. so right back at you. its riduclous to argue an opinion when the facts point against you.
Jan 3 2007 12:02PM
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schmies
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The 1080 hit shelves in fall of 98 into 99, but K2 had the twin-tip Poacher for three years previous:)
Jan 3 2007 4:23PM
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Gnl.Weirdness
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Didn't rossy have their twin out as well, not the fs.
Jan 3 2007 4:28PM
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Scolson
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Yeah, I was talking about some people's arguments that skis should stay with the companies that were ariginally ski companies.
Jan 4 2007 7:54PM
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KravtZ
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i think burton would prob make an ok ski but i think that people woudnt switch over as much becuase once they tried it and realized that they cant just ride onto a rail unlike snowboarding many people would drop it casue they sucked at first
Jan 4 2007 8:39PM
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jibmaster_josh
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who cares if they bashed skiing for 10 years, they realized they were idiots. i have never seen any of these "skiing sucks, you should snowboard" articles, but thats probably cause i havent been reading mags. anyways, for all you folks who say they're just in it for the money, what do you think the other bigass companies are in it for?
Jan 4 2007 8:42PM
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STACKS
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i would like to see pictures if they going to start
Jan 4 2007 9:25PM
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kepler.
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well if they are planning something for next year then they'll have to have something set up in the trade expo this month. so when my boss gets back from it. i'll ask her if its really true
Jan 5 2007 9:16AM
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corkythewhale
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their boards are sick what would be bad about the skis? especially uninc that would be illehn.
Jan 5 2007 9:30AM
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armadajib10
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who cares about if burton makes skis...then it would just be another ski company. take anon, they were a burton company, then they sponsord tj schiller and now there all that.
Jan 5 2007 10:20AM
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mothaeast
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And in three years watch Burton making the sickest skis out there. Then I will bump this thread and laugh at all of you. IF you seriously hate it so much, don't buy them if/when they come out, just that easy. If it is really a bad idea, than it will fail. Easy enough the figure out really...
Jan 5 2007 1:15PM
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JP_Thorpe
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dude there just gonna be overpriced like their boards, you guys are right only snowboarders and noobs are gonna buy them
Jan 5 2007 1:46PM
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