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Why must we make skiing move in the wrong direction?
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open up your eyes fella's look at where skiings going and how it has the potential to be so lame. I recomend watching the continuum or any early ski movie and then watching like dub-ski or x or war or tbc, and compare the soul aspects of the movies. Where did this whole rockstar mentallity come from? We're not rappers or mainstream professional athletes, were skiiers goddamnit. The baggy clothes, the "steeze", the fashion, its all about the image.......
What the fuck?
What ever happened to not worrying about what you looked like and what gear you have, because when the day's over so many people from all different walks of life shared the same snow you just had.
There is no way for me to change your minds but i talked to my ski coach today who could be a professional skiier if he wanted to but he is so bummed on the coprateness of skiing and how its changed so much for the worst that he chooses to ski for himself. Now you should all ask yourselves, is being a rockstar and "living the dream" really what you think it would be?
just remember i dont give a fuck if any one agrees or not, and in the end we all just ski....
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He has a point. You have a lot of anger and carrying on on a website. I think I'll listen to him. After all, he has a point.
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yo9u ghuys are gnar-core! rad!
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Idk i'm sort of divided on this subject. I mean If you want the sport to progress a lot, the industry needs to grow as a whole. I do hate how skiing has become an "image", but without the "image", skiing wouldn't have a lot to work with you know. It kind of sustains the sport to where it is now. It's like a love hate relationship. Skiing has become about what jacket you have on and what skis you ride. Rather than improving your skills and having fun. But it comes with the territory. Basketball it's about the shoes, skateboarding is about the deck and trucks etc. I mean you can't expect it not to happen. Look how commercialized snowboarding anf skateboarding has become, and well look how far those sports have gone as a whole. I don't know what to say.
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hey, kids, just remember... all those tourists everyone hates with the Metrons... they keep the ski industry going, not us. cool or not, skiing is skiing.
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how can you argue about skiing going in the wrong direction when you have a ski coach? u preach about skiing for ur self, a striking contradiction. you are a hypocrite ohh yeah skiing is all about style.
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dude, im appart of the jackson hole freeride team. We are probably the most soul group of skiiers out there.
SO what your saying is that any one who has gone to a summer camp and had a coach give them advice is wrong.
So thats like any one who plays basketball, baseball, football, etc. should play with out the guidance of a coach?
I ski for my self man but im also apart of team that teaches me how to ski for my self. What is so wrong with that?
So i guess reading a book on how to build a house when your a carpentor is contradickting yourself? The attempt to "prove me wrong" didnt work one bit, but way to try.
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The answer to the problem that you are so desperately wanting is one that requires mainstream media to stay out of it. In order to get the rockstar attitude to die out we need people to not give a shit about their image and to ski for themselves. Look at all the pictures of like jacob wester, sammy c, tanner hall, the olenic bros, cr johnson, deschneaux, dumont, jon, all those guys man. Half those guys are hooked up by oakley, probably the most coporate company out there. If you can tell me oakley treats their non-rockstar athletes right, then you my freind are a d-bag.
Pretty much that last rant was about how gay corporate industries are and if you think that the skiing industry needs to grow, you are dead wrong. Correct me if im wrong because i probably am, but doenst quicksilver own rossignol now and roxy. Feel free to tell me that Quicksilver and Roxy arent corporate companies with there feet in the door of many industries. That is about as corporate as it gets.
So fuck corporations and everytime you think about buying the "freshest gear" remind your self. who am i supporting and what am i all about.
Ski for the soul, not for the fame and rockstar attitude
I dont believe i gave you a decent answer to the question i am addressing, but its along the lines of not caring what you look like, but caring that you are different and look like your self, not the next oakley sponsored, baggy pants wearin, armada ridin, joystick pole usin, anon goggle wearin chump.
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I think like baggy pants was sick when it was peoples shit they normally wore. Who cared what like tanner is wearing he normally dresses like that. I hate all the kids who think its entirely necessary to have big pants for something to be cool. When someone wears tight jeans people get all critial of them when they are just wearing what they want to wear. However people wear what they wear and we cant stop that. Whatever is most comfterble for them they should wear
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Clothes play a big part in creating an image for yourself at my local mountian, all the 'Racer kids' look the same with tight black snowpants and red coats. But people who ski with twin tips (park or just ride around having fun) wear looser clothing. I admit, my pants are kinda baggy, but my crotch isnt below my knees, Im not wearing a dewrag and I dont have a basketball jersey on over my jacket.
What I dont like is the attitude some people have. I have seen freestyle skiiers tear eachother apart over what they do. But thats not the way it should be, we should embrace the fact that we just enjoy skiing, having a good time and living without a schedule. I think skiing is moving in the wrong direction, but we all dont need to follow that path, just let people like that go on and do what they like to do.
Meh, I hate typing.
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man who the fuck are you to say skiing doesnt have soul, what do you think so many poeple are on this site argueing about what tricks are sick and just talking about skiing with skiers from all the way around the world, because they love it and have passion for it. they dress with baggy clothes cuz they think it looks sick and tells them apart from everyone else on the hill. if they wanna be an asshole to the other skiers that their problem, but most of them arnt, i know i love skiing and thats why i do it, thats why i work all summer to get money to buy new gear, dont like it you can suck my dick
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baggy clothes are gonna out pretty soon, so is tanner and so will his clothing style. dont loose sleep over it.
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it is about how you ski not how you look
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just be glad it hasnt taken the route boarding has where if ur not in a persons crew they dont talk to you.. as Newschoolers we are all pretty much connected and dont have to worry about being made fun of for not being an aswome skier. Also most boarders are dickheads but MOST skiers arent
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yeah but man, i feel the same way about the kids i ski with at my mountain and we are what you are talking about "new wave skiers" i guess, but we too are just out to have a good time... and if you are saying that that is the wrong the direction than fuck it, i like it. we have soul, we have fun, we ski all over, we ski park, we wear baggy clothes, we are friends with snow boarders, whats wrong with that?
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whatever direction skiing goes in can be good as long as its still skiing
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i hate wigger-dick skiers- right on!
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that sounds a little selfish..
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And you wonder why pipe skiing isn't in the Olympics yet. Look at our image, do you think they really want to look at the "future" of skiing and see tanner with his pants down? Not thinkin so.
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nan it seems like your trying to tell everyone else how to be, making you a hypocrite, people should ski however the fuck they want to, and if they love it thats where the soul is, so if your sking for yourself thats great, but almost everyone here is, it seems like you just want them to be like you because you cant handle people being different than you
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a lot of people are being themselves, but your saying people should conform and be something they arnt, times are changing.
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ha ha ha ha, if i new hot to post pics on threads, i would go and get every pic of a "newschooler" and show you the simulairity between everyones style man.
As far as me being a hypocrit and not accepting people for their differencs and me wanting everyone to conform to a certain image, the conformity has already been done my man. When you see a person on twin tips in an area oh lets say like park city, they all look the same man. Baggy clothes, the newest shit from all the "dope" companies. You never see a guy out there with twin tips whose wearin a goretex jacket with pants that fit him and maybe some old smith goggles. That image is soul man.
I agree with all of you who say any one can have soul and i imagine alot of you do, but when you support mainstream companies you are destroying the overall soul of skiing. If you dont get what i mean, ask your self this, what does a big name corporation do you for you that changes your life on a daily basis. I know for sure im not gettin no christmas cake from the boys at oakley
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why is that soul? i have ninthward, grenade,and spy and my soul runs just as deep as that guy... to me at least. i raced for 8 years, i have been coached by mogle skiers in the park..im not trying to brag, just using my self as an example, i dont think you can use what someone is wearing to determine their "soul". when kids say that my freinds and i dont know what we are doing, how we are just little kids with skis that have two ends, or defiantely dont have any "soul" i say fuck off and go back to the 80s cause
the times they are 'a changin.
soul is relative to the skier, the time, and their surrondings.
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Every now and then some one comes out with a "puritan" take that skiing should just be ruthlessly about skiing. That mentality lacks all imagination, why? Why can't style, music, a way of life be tied in with the sport? We are not just sport machines, we actully have humor, ideas, expression and all the rest.
OK i dont like gangsta because it is pathetic, because those guys would not last 5 seconds in south central LA, but at least it brings something in addition to the skiing.
I really hate it when people start talking about "purity" of something, you know it is an open door to low mood, seriousness and reduction in all the open, bright, color of life.
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i agree and disagree...i loev my gear it makes me leaps and bounds better, can you see me in flourecent green clothing and the same color skis, or even sake RUGGGED BEAR CLOTHING
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so are you saying that you don't want skiing to get attention? I think if skiing keeps growing and growing it will become way sicker
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I will let the definition of sould explain my resoning.
Soul- an entity which is rgarded as being the immortal or spiritual part of the person and, though HAVING NO PHYSICAL OR MATERIAL REALITY, is credited with the functions of thinking and willing and hence determining all behavior.
So when i look at the guy i described and someone with all of the newest gear, i found a more soul image in my example. Allthough this guy has gear on, he still doesnt have the "hot" stuff because he doesnt rely as heavily on material possesions and physical characteristics as someone with all the corporate shit would.
I guess what im saying is i think skiing should portray more of the soul image it once did. Just watch the contiuum.
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i see a contradiction though, some people (like yourself) beleive you should ski just to ski, the others who are steezed out gangsta or what not are still skiing to ski, they are just adding on their own style. Its good that there is variety in skiing, and I agree with you that if everyone gangsta steezed it skiing would be pretty unrespectable, but then again if everyone threw the steez out the window it would again be unrespectable, so i believe that everything in moderation creates a good respactability for the skiing industry. It keeps siver, oakley, armada alive, yet the same aspect of skiing (freeriding) keeps brands such as spyder, scott, smith some older ski companies alive too, so moderation of every style shouldn't be bitten.
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If everyone had this image of soul we'd all be the same. Except the new style would be, old clothes, old skis, and an attitude that anyone that buys Oakley is a sellout/supporter of the man/wanksta/fake/putting on an image. Then the guy wearing Oakley would complain on this forum that skiing has lost its style and that everyone is the same by skiing for soul. ?
Ski how you want, let people buy what they want to buy, and never put yourself above others.
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I sort of see where you are coming from dude like I think we need to put more "soul" as you call it back into skiing. But I also think that there is too much of the gangsta crap goin on.
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yea go crunch some more granola...... you can't just go around thinking your all righteous because you shun the trends in skiing and are proud of wearing beat up gear... skiing means different things to different people, and i think to say that skiing is moving in the wrong direction is a huge generalization and a very close minded way to look at things. personally, im feeling xxl gear, and the hip hop attitude that is making itself more and more prevalent in skiing these days. snowboarding has had it's crews that have been repping the ghetto shit for years (fodt) and its bigger than ever now. skiing is a lifstyle sport, and urban culture is a big part of a lot of peoples lifestyles these days so its only natural that it would carry over into skiing. if you dont like it, cool. personally im not a fan of hippies who think they are really core, but you dont hear me complaining about it. i think the main thing here is that skiing is getting big enough that different groups of skiiers can have thier own identity within the sport, and thats the best part. theres room and a market now to make videos and whatnot for people like yourself (tgr and other shit i will probly never watch) and for guys like me (pop yer bottlez and tech nine's one love). no one is forcing you to wear baggy clothes or act like a rockstar.. so get over it.
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I dont know about you guys but in teddy bear crisis, when tanner does his little speach I felt like slapping him. He's a good skier, but kinda a fag. whose with me on this one.
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g'ed up from the feet up!
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I think the guy who posted this thread was a bit dominated by the views of his ski coach who seems from what the thread poster wrote was intolerant, reactionary and moody. Let him stew in his own juice, that's what i say.
And the rest of us, well whether it is gangsta or punk or whatever, if we want to use skiing as the point where we share all our favorite pasttimes, well lets do it - and still be good and creative with our skiing. Let the people who are un-happy with this bitch away.
And as for the commercial side - well come on... so what? It is not religon or art we are talking about here. It is a sport, full of passion and freedom but hardly a sacrosant thing. Relax and enjoy. (geeee, so serious over a pasttime!)
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What is this Brink? Soul Skiiers. I'd say about 98% of skiiers ski cuz they like to ski and arent't gettting paid. I wouldn't worry about it
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What? This guy isn't 'deep minded'. He's just spouting out generalities. What could be more 'soulful' than sticking a perfect sw3 with an afterbang? It's all about what resonates with your sense of what looks and feels good, not what looks like it should be the most soulful (i.e. a tele-guy with dreads, 3 foot beard and no money). Most of us don't live in Jackson Hole, so we need something to keep us occupied in-between days where it snows a foot and the resort forgets to groom. Honestly, you sound like an idiot whenever you start talking about skiing's 'soul dying'.
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who gives a fuck, why do u must care about how other people present skiing, it doesnt fuckin matter, bitching about this isnt going to change shit, fuck you and your fucking ski coach, jus fuckin go ski and dont be sucha little bitch
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Dont understand why so many people want skiing to "blow up." I was perfectly happy 7-8 years ago being the only skier in a park w/o having 200+ little 13 year old thuggs having a gay fashion parade with what kind of "core" stuff they had on. Progression would have occurred whether skiing got exposure or not. Now I see everyone from 6 year olds to 40 year olds on twin tips. And the gangsta shit is just ridiculous.
This whole thing reminds me of what happened with rollerblading.
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How do racers have style?
I thought the all follow the same icy run, Going faster then the last guy?
I don't think you can add stlye to a tuck.
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you can just tell by the stuff they wear. spyder n stuff....i think thats what hes refering to
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dude, im not saying that doing tricks is gay or doesnt have any soul. Im also not saying that you all dont have soul. Im saying the image the majority of this site portrays is not soul. Now when is say its not soul, im not meaning that the peopl who wear all brand name "core" company shit arent out there having fun, im saying that the Image they are portraying is not a good one. Serisouly, people think they need to try and support ski companies because they believe the guys who are in charge of the "core" companies are barely making a living and eating pb7&'js for dinner. The reason im pissed about the image this site portrays is because everyone is brainwashed into thinking that hey maybe if i support a company that claims they are core then maybe im doing the right thin. Just ask your self this question, on a personal level what do these so called "core" companies do for you. While your at it ask one more, What do you get out of supporting that company?
Im down with people wearing what they want to wear man, but you should know why your wearing it. Is an oakley one peice cool to wear because the newschoolers main stream dubs it "steezey"? I would try and provide a alternative to the reason i suggest as to why someone might buy an oakley one peice, but i just cant find one.
I guess what im saying is wear what you want, but wear it for the right reasons.
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i like skiing with kids that are chill.. so i do and feel that has soul
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While I only read the first post, I have always wanted to make a thread like this, asking where the hell we are trying to take skiing, specifically ski movies.
The judgement on movies these days are harsh, shots have to be EPIC, or ARTISTIC, or a trick over a certain gap no one has done before. Yeah, I agree, that shit is ridiculous, but when was the last time you laughed at a ski movie? Had a good time watching a ski movie? Watched skiers hit tiny jumps and goof off, accomplishing nothing? This is what I do when I ski, and what we all need to do more. I'm not saying you make an entire movie of this crap, but loosen up the videos. Show how fun the sport is. If you don't know what I mean, go to CRAPNETO.COM right now, and I mean RIGHT NOW, and watch their edits in the video section. These guys are absolutely amazing, and they have a ton of fun.
I'd rather watch Crapneto than another ski video. The only videos that have really got me amped to ride this year, are BK's New Zealand edit, and the Roundtop Riders edits.
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honestly who cares who by what, by whom and how they look. Skiing as any sport should show respect, cameraderie and generate good times.
The only thing that should be kept of the slopes and ruins the image is the bad mouthing skiiers who trash talk everyone because they want to make themselves feel like they are better, and make the others who aren't willing to stand up feel like crap. That is what ruins the sport and honestly it is only the minority.
What distinguishes New Shoolers isn't the clothes or brands, it's the twin tips and the parks where the cameraderie which generates the good times.
Who cares if you are wearing Oakley, or Homemade goggles if you come out, have a good time and don't be an ass you are part of the culture and not tarnishing the sport or the image.
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^ newb
anyways im guessing sensay master is on drugs or something so you should take anything he says seriously
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