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and how can i forget? you are not worth my time Simon. you had your chance to talk with me, and you blew it.

- Patty

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religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

maybe you should work on coming up with a different response other than, your not worth my time or you had your chance. i didnt know there was time limits here.

no, its just that you don't deserve a response, you are so wrapped up in this dogma of yours and yet so confused about everything i say will not help you in anyway. but i will give you oen nonetheless.

for starters: elohim means the Gods. nice one. but do you remeber what God is? Father, Son and Holy Spirit. here it is used to show that all parts of God are present when it comes to creating the world.

strike one.

"How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days"."

well, lets thing about this. do you need to see a moon for there to be night? do you need to see the stars for the darkness to be there? answer: no. don't you think very well could have made light and have it shine on the earth, and it being round and spinning, make it so that there is darkness and light at the same time on the same planet that we know tday and that is happening right now as we speak, and that this alternation of light and darkness be called night and day, and that we we decided to, he could fix the light from a source and create a reflector for it at night? i hardly think this would have been a problem an omnipotent God.

strike 2.

"#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)" what a load of biased excrement of an ungulate. do you suppose, that God gave Adam a choice in his compnionship? that he could have picked any animal to be his helper around the garden, like a dog, or a cat like today? that he could have chosen a non human companion? yes, he could have, and God gave him this choice, knowing that well, Eve would eat the fruit, and then adam, and then bam! end of perfect relation with God? what you need to see is that God doesn't want puppets randomly adoring him without free will. he gave adam a choice to have a non human companion. he chose to have one. God accomodated that. he had a choice. God didn't forget anything.

strike 3.
wait, lets give more some tries.
oh wait. this load of BS is summed up by God giving a choice to his creation again:
"#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)"

yeah, funny thing that you are so superficial when after have gone to college. as for the order, let it be known that gensis is the only book in the bible writen as an alegory (i think thats the right word, like when you write a summation of something past, and not a narrative). so the "inconsistencies" are most likely a figure de style. the one thing i know is that when it says about the desolate earth and the creation of adam, the emphasis was bruoght on how little there was where he was at time. which is why God made a garden especially for adam.

and simon, that is it for you. you ahve done nothing to even deserve any kind of intelligent discussion froma nyone. you ahve not stayed on course, you take your little cheap shots and want to boost your ego. as far as i am conscerned, i needn't continue to argue with you. you aren't worth the effort.

good day

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

for someone so open to talk, you're not very willing to discuss..
So now what?? it's gone from either all fact or all fiction to all truth with one major exception of alegory? I mean, I still don't quite get how we can have night and day without a sun first.. or did god just get tired of lighting the sky on his own time that he/she made the sun to do so as an afterthought. If that one portion of the book wasn't created to be so literal, how do people treat the majority of it in such a literal fashion?? Your obvious passion for it is a testament (pun intended) to that.

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because then from an interpretation, factual observation comes in, and there is in fact much evidence for creation.

however badfish, excuse me but i am quite burned out about this whole thread. if you want evidence for creation, first read Michael Dentons book that refutes darwinism called Evolution, a theory in crisis and then if you wish a case for creation, read in 6 days, how 50 scientists came to believe in creation

or simply Case for a creator by Lee Strobel.

very interesting things are there.
enjoi.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

i must correct a huge blunder on my behalf. i did not mean to say this:

"as for the order, let it be known that gensis is the only book in the bible writen as an alegory (i think thats the right word, like when you write a summation of something past, and not a narrative)."

i completely lost track of my train of thought. i meant to say that of all the books in the bible genesis is one that is not an alegory (a

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

...i completely lost track of my train of thought. i meant to say that of all the books in the bible genesis is one that is not an alegory (and i wanted to check my vocabulary, i didn't know if it was the right word), as some christian scholars say that the book of Job might be one. but genesis is written in a narrative form, with some figures de style in it, like of the emphasis on how little there was around adam at his creation.

im terribly sorry about what i said, which was just plain wrong. forgive me please. as for my response to Badfish2, i was under the impression i had not written what i had.

genesis is not the alegorical book i said it is, but that some say the book of Job is.

sorry about that. i know its fundamental, and im very distraught at it. i was plain wrong. sorry again.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

What a mess.

I will say this. The more you know about the subject of religion, the harder it is to disbelieve. Religion is very deep, complex, and often cryptic. Therefore, it lies solely on interpretation of the individual. Reasoning and logic are used to help make sense of it all. When atheists think of religion, they imagine the herding of sheep. The flaw is they are interpreting religion as much as the believers. Religious interpretation comes on many levels and should never be completely dismissed by a skeptic. Religion is far deeper than a single level in its complexity.

Simon, you are pretty much off the mark. Lets look at one example of your logic lapse, the argument about the order or creation. You point out that “days� exist before the sun was created. At a most basic level this is true, but you are completely neglecting the most important factor of all...time. “Days� as you know them, only exist on earth. The length of a day anywhere else is always different. A day on Mars, Mercury, or Jupiter would be (and are) different lengths of time. Also the fact the God created the entire universe as well as this rock that we live on, how do we know a “day� as “He� does? Days do not exist outside of solar systems. The context of time can be off too. Humans (and the sun) were created after God himself already determined the length of a “day.� God created time BEFORE he created the sun. Furthermore, a day to him could be an epoch to us, we don’t know, as we were not there to witness the creation. In any case you are grasping a straw-man argument because your own logic contradicts itself. Though almostaskiier might hardly agree with me because I believe that Genesis is an allegory.

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well, i had heard this already, i meant to say it wasn't, and i don't believe it to be so, but i said the complete opposite by accident.

personally, i think i blew it and this thread is too draining.

Quinny, im sorry, but im out.



- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

Meh, no big. That was about all I wanted to say. I really didn’t fell like writing another one of my long-ass essays.

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very understandable, i think ive written around 5 pages already...

faretheewell thread of yore.

- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein

certainly it takes more than an internet board discussion to change someones beliefs, and and stand by what i know, as i know it, and im assuming you do too. in my brain, "mormonism" if you want to call it that, is more in line with the christianity that is taught in the bible (old testament and new) than is anything else thats aroud today. as far as the religion standing the test of time, well, its growing faster than pretty much any other religion, and is going on almost 200 years now. clearly thats a small number when compared with judeaism, but i think it was a time magazine article that stated that mormonism, again, using that term loosely, is the first major world religion since mohammed in 600ad, or thereabouts. i dont see the church going anywhere but up, in a time of division and internal strife among so many other christian denomonations. will it stand the test of time? thats for time to tell i guess.

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