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MitchPee
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why the hell not?

someone bring up the first topic

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Aug 4 2005 6:55PM
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nothanks
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Mexicans coming to the US and using citizens medicade.



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Aug 4 2005 6:57PM
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EastcoastAR5
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10 reasons bush is a nazi

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G-Dawg
Aug 4 2005 6:57PM
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nothanks
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I say fuck that, just because someone isn't supposed to be there means you shouldnt help them. Understood for some poor country or something but not the US, the country that proclaims to try to save the world. We don't have the money, but we waste so much and complain we don't have enough to help people out.

Look at Niger, its going to cost 8x more than it would last year to save that country, but we pour more money into Bush's quaqmire, Iraq. Screw that.

If a baby was stuck in a well, you wouldnt help it out because it wasn't supposed to be there? Eh?



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Aug 4 2005 6:59PM
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nothanks
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Oh seany, in response to that...here

http://bloodforoil.com/hitler/HitlerBush.pdf

Thanks to Blood For Oil on that one.



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Aug 4 2005 7:01PM
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MitchPee
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actually i do think there should be restrictions on mexican immigration...they shouldn't be allowed to just waltz in with no give-back ability to the community

and i agree we need to get the fuck out of iraq and the rest of the world needs to step up with us and devote a little bit more effort to saving africa before it becomes the next middle east

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Aug 4 2005 7:02PM
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Tasche
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"As soon as you try to compare a US president to a nazi you loose all credibality" John stewert

Bush might be an unteligent war monger but he is not a nazi you stupid prick.

Aug 4 2005 7:04PM
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EastcoastAR5
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haha wow good find.




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G-Dawg
Aug 4 2005 7:05PM
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Fr2Planker
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gooooood thread......but yeah you cant just "GET" out of iraq and there is no way the rest of the world will just help. And for all you bush haters, fuck off cause we won everything so therefore you are the minority

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Aug 4 2005 7:05PM
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bermbuster49
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i think we should shoot all the mexicans that try to come over and build a 30 story wall on the mexican boarder. the end.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Aug 4 2005 7:05PM
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freestyler540
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I agree. They should at least demand american citizenship but MUST have a job and must never inlist in criminal behavior. Aliens gets jobs easier than bums on the street.



Responsability,what's that?
Aug 4 2005 7:05PM
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MitchPee
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respectable opinion^ lol

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Aug 4 2005 7:05PM
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Tasche
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if illegal aliens paid taxes I wouldent have a problem with them using medicare. I didnt make their country shity why should I have to pay for them to live. No one pays for me to live I pay rent and my taxes so I say fuck mexicans and their worthless ness

Aug 4 2005 7:06PM
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freestyle_rich
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how can you say that a poor mexican should be shot? they come to america to feed their families because they are poor and are willing to work for any price. if anything we as north americans should sit back and evaluate how greedy we are.





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Aug 4 2005 7:07PM
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Tasche
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I dont see genocide on that list. If you want to make a political statement you cant be a retarded left wing moron

Aug 4 2005 7:08PM
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EastcoastAR5
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shut your mouth, i was just saying it was funny, not something to live my fucking life by asshole



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Aug 4 2005 7:10PM
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MitchPee
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well theres a line between greedy and just god damn giving out money that shouldn't be handed out...how come you don't see them go to canada?

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Aug 4 2005 7:12PM
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Tasche
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ya its real funny that someone was able to almost take over the world and kill millions of people. Its also pretty funny that over 1800 americas have died fighting a war that 90% of the world thinks is wrong.

Aug 4 2005 7:12PM
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Tasche
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canada is too cold and too much gas money apparently. Also think about how many dark Canadians do you ever see. Those people are white frenchys

Aug 4 2005 7:14PM
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freestyler540
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Canada is so damn far for the mexicans. Im glad america protect us from the poor countries.



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Aug 4 2005 7:14PM
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EastcoastAR5
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about the "illegal aliens", put yourself in their shoes.
You are poor as hell, hungry, no good work, slaving away to hardly support your family, who are going to end up just like yourself. And all this can be changed if you cross an invisible line to a place where you can make a good living and help your family. what the hell do you expect them to do?
and to the asshole that said they should be shot, you are one sick piece of shit.



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Aug 4 2005 7:15PM
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MitchPee
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well there would be a logical reason to solve the problem...help mexico get out of debt and eventually people won't want to leave

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Aug 4 2005 7:15PM
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EastcoastAR5
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yo you need to relax, did i say that was 100% accurate?



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Aug 4 2005 7:17PM
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freestyler540
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The whole country is full of corruption. In order to change it, there must be a revolution. Its that if they whant to go to the US, they must do it legally.



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Aug 4 2005 7:17PM
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freestyle_rich
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the world is too wrapped up in helping Africa to even consider mexico.





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Aug 4 2005 7:18PM
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freestyler540
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And its not like Canada is give enough...over 5 million $ a year. Where the hell is our money going???



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Aug 4 2005 7:20PM
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freestyle_rich
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^ i don't understand what you are saying





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Aug 4 2005 7:21PM
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freestyler540
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Canada is giving about 5million$ a year to Africa to fight hunger. That money comes from our taxes. That money is for giving to the poor families in order not to starve.

The thing is organisations against hunger says that its not enough and that a lot of people are dying in Africa. Over the years hunger should had stopped.



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Aug 4 2005 7:26PM
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MitchPee
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well first of all we are nowhere near wrapped up in helping africa...we aren't sending nearly enough that could be sent...like instead of destroying our corn that the government pays farmers to OVERGROW we could send crops to africa...a revolution in mexico? yes it would help but all that is needed there is unification and then maybe they will get somewhere

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Aug 4 2005 7:26PM
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Tasche
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I have no sympathy for someone who breaks the law. Its not like it was in the 18 hundreds when immirgrants acually made this country better. I might be racist but it seams like all mexicans want to do is live they never want to better themselves they are content living off "colfax" doing nothing and pumping out babies. And bitching about how they are mistreated.

Aug 4 2005 7:26PM
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Tasche
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the us shits 5 million dollars every day that is nothing thats not enough money to do jack shit. You are really wrong on your figures. The us alone spends about 5 BILLION each year in foerign aide

Aug 4 2005 7:29PM
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freestyler540
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I really don't think the US spends 5 billion$ on foreign aid. I think thats expenses on military.

It is said that Canada is one of the countriesthat gives the most to foreign aid.



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Aug 4 2005 7:32PM
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Tasche
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the us army has a budget of 20 bill each year and thats just the army. Think about it the us debt is almost 2 trillion thats 1000 billion

Aug 4 2005 7:33PM
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Tasche
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it cost 500,000 dollars to fully train and deploy 1 american GI for 10 years

Aug 4 2005 7:34PM
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freestyle_rich
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^yes that is true and also Canada is no where near as large of population as the US so our economy produces less profit overall.





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Aug 4 2005 7:36PM
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Ghost
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Tmorry - Why is it our duty to give benefits to people who are here ILLEGALLY? I dare you to try to cross into any country in Africa, Asia, South America, or some in Europe, illegally. Chances are you will get shot, imprisoned for years, tortured, or all the above. It is not our duty to cater to illegal immigrants.

XXscratchxx - Hypothetically speaking, let's say we do just walk out of Iraq right now. What sort of statement do you think that will make to Al-Quida and the terrorists? That they can beat us if they wait us out? That we are not commited? That we will falter? That we are weak? Do you honestly think terrorists are going to shake our hand and leave us alone? That they will no longer bomb or attack us because of it?


freestyle_rich - if that's the case, then the 'poor mexicans' should immigrate legally like the millions
of others who have done so already. What incentive are we giving them to cross the border legally if
there are no reprecessuions and just as many benefits to do so illegally? How does that make legal
immigrants feel?

Darkfranchise - "over 1800 americas have died fighting a war that 90% of the world thinks is wrong." Wow! that's amazing. You mean to tell me that nearly 5.9 billion people adamently oppose the war? With such compelling numbers, you'd think Bush wouldn't have had a chance to win the last election? Also, if a dominating majority of the world opposed what Bush is doing, why not completely embargo the US and cut off all ties already?


Eastcoast5 - "And all this can be changed if you cross an invisible line to a place where you can make a good living and help your family. what the hell do you expect them to do?" - I expect them to find some way to do it legally. People die from starvation every day across the world. Does that mean we should let people go ahead and steal? What about the people who are barely making it and trying to run a market? How do you think they feel about people stealing? In india, if you steal, you get your hand cut off. But you know what, Theft is not that common because they know there are harsh consequences.

XXscratchxx - "well there would be a logical reason to solve the problem...help mexico get out of debt" But wait, isn't the United States already involved in too many people's business as it is? The United states government gets yelled at up and down for being involved in too many foreign affairs that don't concern them, and then gets ripped apart for not doing enough? Double standards?


Aug 4 2005 8:16PM
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MitchPee
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first off we have already won over iraq...they have a government set up its their job to enforce...we have way too many troops in iraq that need to be...here look at this website ghost dragon www.costofwar.com

now i never said anything about the terrorists shaking our hand? and i never expected they would just stop bombing us? but isn't that what we did in vietnam? just left? didn't we stay there long enough? all we have to do is wait for the generations to fade its way out...now there are many other countries with many other terrorists...how do you suppouse we solve the iraq issue im interested on your opinion

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Aug 4 2005 8:21PM
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MitchPee
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and the issue of mexico...i didn't mean run in there and give the wrong people money i was merely suggesting opening our trade route more then it is now and involving more mexican business in our everyday economy

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Aug 4 2005 8:23PM
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Delphi
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wow, that bush is a nazi on blood for oil was totally irrelevant. The majority of things on that list are the qualities possessed by many us presidents in the past
"Possessed armed forces much bigger and more effective than those of other nations." That is just a dumb figure. Every President since FDR has had a superior army to that of the rest of the world. Both charismatic. I dont really see bush as being charasmatic as Hitler was. And the biggest point that they missed there was that Hitler was an insane, imbalanced evil dictator. I havent read anything about Bush killing off a whole religion yet, have you. Next time you compare someone to a Nazi, make sure that they are as evil as you are projecting them to be. That was if not the stupidest comparisons i have ever seen. Dont pollute this site with fucking shit like that dude, its totally innapropriate and unamerican.

The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms!
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Aug 4 2005 8:29PM
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sunvalleyskibum
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dark franchise, you're a fucking dick. "mexicans have no interest in bettering themselves, they just pump out babies." this may surprise you, but Mexican immigrants don't come to this country to piggyback on our government programs. they come to escape poverty and corruption and find a better life. you seem to think of mexicans as sub-human, but they are just as intelligent as any other race. please go spread your hate somewhere else.




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Aug 4 2005 8:38PM
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Delphi
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actually some illegal aliens say that they have more children then they really do just so that they can get more benefits/welfare when they could easily make a living like everyone else.

The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms!
~patrick henry
Aug 4 2005 8:40PM
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sunvalleyskibum
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still, try to steer clear of all this mexian-bashing. it just makes you sound stupid. and besides, white people cheat the system all the time too...by underreporting the amount of hours they work to save some cash on taxes, or intentionally staying unemployed while pretending to look for work to collect money in unemployment checks without having to do anything.

its also very hard to listen to you whine about mexican immigrants cheating welfare to scrape by when you're probobly a middle/upper class teenager who doesnt even pay taxes yet.




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Aug 4 2005 8:52PM
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Delphi
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lol i do pay taxes, but i hear what you are saying. i have no bad feelings towards mexicans, prlly cuz my job has not yet been stolen by one. The thing that pisses me off the most are american whites who cheat the system. Like, rich american whites, thats just bullshit.

The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms!
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Aug 4 2005 8:54PM
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Doghouse
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its all about whos a humanitarian and who wants to help themselves vs helping other people.


all we can really do is wait for bill gates to die, then those billions of dollars will start flowing to those who need it the most


true fact: Gates is only giving .0018% of his fortune to his children when he dies, hes giving the rest of it to charities and the like. heard it on NPR, pretty much the bombest radio station




'Has you ever had an abortion? Surely you should try something before you say it is bad. Because I was very anti-Burger King, but then I went there and I had the flame grilled, ain't it, and you know it was like amazing.'-Ali G



Aug 4 2005 9:53PM
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Delphi
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dude NPR is a wicked biased radio show. it is so liberal. but thats a good find about gates, at least some people arent totally and completely infatuated with money.


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Aug 4 2005 9:59PM
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Ghost
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good. thanks for explaining yourself a little better. I Was just trying to get a little more intelligent conversation stirred up in here. Most of the previous banter was mindless.

Aug 4 2005 11:16PM
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MitchPee
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agreed^^

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Aug 4 2005 11:26PM
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friedcheese
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Canada doesnt have mexicans we have natives dirty stinky indian natives


Aug 5 2005 1:41AM
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Wow is THIS a disaster of an idea.

It had to be said.
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Aug 5 2005 1:54AM
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Sharpy
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Africa is worse off than the middle east. So really, there was no reason to go into the middleast i nthe first place. Look at the stats of a country such a Ghana, which is better off than many african countries compared to a country like iran or kuwait. Child mortality and lifespan are much different, not in favour of the africans.

My opinion is that for there to be rich superpowers, there much ab e poor and down trodden. No one will ever be equally prosperous simply because of human nature. It is human nature to be greedy and it seems to be a prime characteristic of the white man. While the asians seem to be smarter, black people better athletes, the caucasians seem to be good at taking advantage of people and exploiting. Once people stop helping people only if they ahve something to gain from it and start helping people for the sole reason that they want to make others lives better, the world will be on its way to being an equally ideal place for everyone to live.

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Aug 5 2005 8:27AM
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tricksterboardin
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for the last bit about being involved in too many international affairs there IS a difference between trying to improve an economy and political state throw contributions and trade agreements and such and chasing terrorists to other countries and overthrowing dictators while inflicting civilian casulties,

personally i wouldve just continued to assasinate the dictators until people bacame afraid to take the position sure a couple of assasins mightve died but hey if your trying to rationalize what 10 compared to 1800, anyway thats all what ifs so..

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