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8mm, 16mm, digital...some explain

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$westside$
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ive never realy been into filming but im gnna attempt to start this season...first, wats the best 3ccd camera for a relatively low price? second, wats the diff. between 8mm,16mm, ext... cameras? im guessing the higher the mm the better the quality. and lastly, is a camera like the GL2 "digital"?

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Jul 2 2005 1:29PM
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Dakoulas
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All the 3ccd cameras and pretty much the cameras you see at stores are digital, they use minidv digital8 or some other sort of video tape.

16mm and 8mm cameras use film. Instead of using chips to capture the image, they use film and the image is captured much like an SLR camera. the 8mm and 16mm part just specifies the size of the film, 8mm is the cheapest then theres 16mm, 35mm and other sorts of expensive stuff.

If you are just gettign into video and film then I wouldn't go right to usign film cameras, you have to understand how they actually work and how to set the aperture and stuff. Just get yourself a decent digital camcorder and fool around with that. Besides gettign film footage on the computer to edit is a bit of a hassle.


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Jul 2 2005 2:23PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Editing film sucks

Jul 3 2005 3:34PM
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foodisfun
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i wanna get into photograpghy but its so friggin expensive


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Jul 3 2005 7:39PM
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skierman_number1
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Go with digital because with 8 and 16mm, you have to buy a lot of expensive equipment just to even get the film onto your computer to edit. This isn't even mentioning the equipement to edit to upkeep the high quality set forth by the film, and the filming equipement itself.

Jul 3 2005 8:25PM
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agpproductions
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yeah if your starting you dont have to worry, a 3ccd cam will be a good start ( a really good start), like he said^ the telecine for 8mm or for 16mm will cost you an arm an a leg...if you says that you dont care about the difference of money between a 3ccd and all equipment and a cam 8 or 16mm...i'll say: you should invest on a good computer to edit your future movies instead of 16mm camera and accessories for it

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Jul 3 2005 11:15PM
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uberpopular
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i think you have to send your 16mm film to a lab to get it converted to digital. that's a hassle

Jul 5 2005 10:20AM
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Dakoulas
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You don't have to, you could project it and digitize it yourself. But to get professional quality you need to send it to a professional telecine studio.


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Jul 5 2005 12:31PM
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anything you put a tape into is a digital camera, and is captured with CCDs. Film, you put film rolls into it, and it get captured by the shutter speed letting little amounts of light into the film for a very small amount of time. 8mm is half as wide as 16mm, thus giving it half the resolution. Never start movie making on a film cam. it is very hard because you cannpt see what each setting does. if you get a digital camera, you can preview what the image looks like on the lcd screen if you, say, set the f-stop really high. on film, you have to estimate what it's going to look like and you need experiance to estimate that stuff.

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Jul 5 2005 2:43PM
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agpproductions
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but you have to start if you want to get some experience...you never heard about: we learn from our mistakes...???but yeah...you should start with a digi cam

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Jul 6 2005 10:37AM
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Phrosty
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you should only shoot 35




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Jul 6 2005 2:52PM
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Jul 8 2005 3:23AM
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Dakoulas
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35 my ass, Imax all the fucking way!!!!


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Jul 8 2005 4:06AM
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ECfreeski3
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speaking of which, how big is imax film? bigger than 70 right?

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Jul 8 2005 3:12PM
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JamesB
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get a canon xl....

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Jul 8 2005 5:38PM
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twix_182
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the top ones i hear for digi cameras are canon gl2 and sony vx2100. i think im getting the gl2, but vx2100 is better in low light. im pretty sure gl2 has 30 frames a second with progression. frame mode its called. so thats cool

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Jul 8 2005 7:14PM
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nilzlet
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To answer one of your questions, the cheapest 3ccd cam is a the panasonic pvgs65, but its really no were near all the other 3ccd camcorders like the vx2100 or the gl2.

Jul 8 2005 7:28PM
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Schoening
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i just bought a canon zr200 for 300 off ebay. good camera for a good price. ide suggest this camera if your looking for something somewhat inexpensive


Jul 8 2005 8:34PM
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jensen
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8 mm is cheap shit. 8 mm is the worst, then digi, then 16 mm. 8 mm is like hi-8 tapes that have super shitty quality and you cant really edit without getting extra equipment. definetly get a digi 8 or mini dv camera.






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Jul 9 2005 2:25PM
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Dakoulas
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You are very misinformed. Hi 8 and 8mm film are completely different. Hi8 is shitty video quality, less quality than DV. Super 8 is a type of film, doesn't have the same quality as 16 mm film but the resolution is still much greater than that of DV.

If you are looking to get started with film go with super 8, 16 mm is extremely expensive. But unless you already have some experience with video just go with a DV camera.


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Jul 9 2005 3:22PM
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jensen
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ummmm no. hi8 is even better quality of 8mm film. if you would like to learn more about it i found a site for you......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8mm_Video_Format






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Jul 9 2005 3:37PM
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Dakoulas
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You are comparing video to film, it doesn't work. Depending on how you shoot the film, the video might be a little bit clearer. But the resolution of hi8 doesn't compare to super 8.


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Jul 9 2005 3:45PM
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Dakoulas
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And I mut say that site is very confusing to someone that understand this stuff. It is talking about 8mm video tapes and all the different kinds. Completely different than 8mm and super 8 film which was what we were talking about here.


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Jul 9 2005 3:47PM
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jensen
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no one still uses 8 mm film, so why are you talking about it? the person wants to know what to buy right now, and right now there is hi8, digi8, mini dv, and 16mm film in that order of quality. i think you got the point across that you know the different film/video stuff, so let it go.






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Jul 9 2005 4:01PM
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Dakoulas
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Actually lots of people still use 8mm film, look at a bunch of the lifestyle shots in todays movies. Plehouse uses them a bunch. I would say there are more people that use 8mm film nowadays than there are that use hi8 and other 8mm vid formats.


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Jul 9 2005 4:29PM
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skicali916
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A good camera to start with that i recently bought is the sony minidv DCR-HC42. It's easy to use and very small, make sure you get a wide angle lens though.

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Jul 9 2005 4:37PM
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Dakoulas
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And on the note of digital camcorders, how much are you willing to pay?


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Jul 9 2005 5:16PM
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agpproductions
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don't get a fucking hi8...its just shit...at least get a digi8 but for the difference...please go with a mini dv...and dont get a fucking mini dvd...its shit too...mini dv is the actual best format to start with i think

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Jul 9 2005 9:13PM
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agpproductions
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cheap 3ccd are just shit...its better to get a cheap HD for the price...like the new sony

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Jul 9 2005 9:15PM
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skierman_number1
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Just to let you know, Hi8 does come out better than a Digital. I tried filming in both (had to convert to digital because other one died... RIP) and the Hi8 came in with such a better quality and feel to it than the digital.

Jul 11 2005 5:28PM
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skodeo7
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thats not true at all, it depends how big (and how many) the ccds on your camera are, what kind of lens you were using, manual or automatic exposure,etc.etc...

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Jul 11 2005 6:30PM
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skierman_number1
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Well then I guess I just got lucky then.

Jul 11 2005 7:24PM
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skodeo7
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Or you had a piece of shit digi cam

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agingeri
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There seems to be a lot of confusion on the topics of image formats and what makes a "good" camera.

First of all, there's two different ways to capture a moving picture:

Video (8mm, Hi8, VHS, DV, HDV, etc.)
and film (Super8mm, 16mm, 35mm, etc.)

Use video if you just want a cheap picture.
Use film if you've got the money and time and want something that looks like it was shot on film.

As far as "good" cameras go, CCDs aren't the only thing. 3CCDs are good, but you also need well-manufactured CCD and (IMPORTANT) a good lens. Many Sony cameras have Carl Zeiss optics (good) and some mid-range Panasonic cameras have Leica lenses (very good). Other than that, Canon makes pretty good lenses and everything else on the low end of the consumer scale is pretty much crap.

Factor in ease of use and number of manual controls and extra features and your decision just got a lot more complicated.

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I beleive Jack Johnson films with an 8mm too. Soooo sick.







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Aug 4 2005 12:16AM
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dude tons of people use super8 what the fuck are you talking about? And hi8 is NOT better than super8. super8 has half the resolution of 16mm but it is still more than that of hi8, because hi8 cams have shitty chips that digitally graph the image, while the image on film is chemically transferred. So basicly there is yet to be a consumer cam that is nicer than 16mm film looking.

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Aug 4 2005 6:52PM
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agingeri
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I'm a big fan of film myself (especially Super8), but I've only shot with it a few times because it's so darn expensive (even more so if you want a video transfer).

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