911 and george bush

Yeah, I've seen that. It's pretty interesting. Not sure how credible it is though.

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the vidoes rnt working on my comp., but it sounds intersting, yet fishy

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"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

Good quote

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Interesting, convincing, but take a step back and look at the situation as a whole and you realize its very unlikely.

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wow that was really interesting. i would like to look into it more to cause i question some of the credebility and some of it just seems like specualtion but there does seem to be truth there


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check out www.prisonplanet.com. It has archives of news articles on the topic. There are also some free documentries that you can watch.

you should all look into this, even if you look into it and decide that its a bunch of bull shit, at least youll be able to back up with facts that it is bullshit.

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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

that is quite possibly one of the biggest piles of horseshit ive ever seen in my life

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^ yea, i'm into the whole conspiracy conceptualizing, but some of the speculations this guy makes are complete fallacious. if you do your research you can find legitimate sources that actually point to the TRUTH.

theres alotta stuff out there that is so reasonable and credible that i currently have no respect for our gov.

www.911reviewboard.com

makes points such as the melting temperature of steel is like 2000 degrees ferenheit and the burning temp of jet fuel is 1200 degrees ferenheit. therefore the planes couldnt have "MELTED" the steel supports causing it to colapse

thats what the media and gov said happened even if you believe differly, even if somethine else happened, still, they lied in at least one aspect

ever notice that 9/11 is 9-1-1 ? the emergency number. thats pretty weird

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I am with Jibjib... that had to be the biggist load of shit i have ever seen.. proud to be a Republican

i fuckin hate republicans, they always think there right and that no1 else's opinion is even worth listening too, now i'm not sayin this shit is true but you never no if like part of it is right or somethin, i mean come on , BUSH IS OUR PRESIDENT

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most of the familys who lost loved ones in the towers, figher figthers familys spicificly were laughed at by the media when they tried to tell their story. I bet the familys of people who lost loved ones in the towers already belive that fire couldnt have melted the steal like the offical goverment story says.

If you dont belive that the US government would plan and carry out a terrorist attack on its own people, and then lie about doing so, read the Northwoods Document(http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf). It went threw the highest levels of government and was stoped by J.F.K. because he thought it was bullshit. If it wasnt for him, the plan would have gone threw.

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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

alright first of all.... i have been to the 911 ehibit in Albany NY at the State Mueseum and they have pieces of the towers in runis.. and they have not been melted... so thats just a bunch of bullshit right off the bat... and second of all where in any of giulianis' speaches does it say that the tower melted.. hah that has to be one of the stupediest things i have ever heard.

and if u listen to the media... haha then shame on you.. lol apparently u havn't learned that jsut about everything the media says is wrong....

Not saying I disagree, but do you care to offer evidence?

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What the fuck? If you were a friend or a family member of a victim wouldn't you want to know the truth?

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No, the stupidest thing I've ever heard is what you just said in your post. You said you didn't see any melted pieces of metal? THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

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did u click ont eh site that he gave.. it didn't work for me.. lol and i looked it up on google and that didn't work either.... go to google and look up the NYS Mueseum in Albany.. it might have pictures of the ruin pice of steel.. it is easy to tell that it did not melt... and if you have read the 911 Comission repot.. it mentions nothing about melting steel.. so hows that for evidence??

That isn't evidence. You provided no facts that prove this video is false. You only said one piece of literature didn't mention anything about melting steel, which of course, does not disprove the web site purporting this conspiracy.

As a matter a fact, you so kindly pointed out that there was no melted steel at the memorial. That's the point. The steel never melted. Something else caused the collapse. That's the point. You missed it.

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haha no kidding.. that is what the kid was bitching about. he thinks it was a conspiricy and that a plane could not have caused that building to "melt" which it didn't therefore priving that he is already wrong.... and that it was in face the planes... i mean are u kidding me?? haha how can u not see that?

nomiru yamusaki (sp?) the architectthe towers said that he designed them spicificly to take impacts from massive jet liners. The construction and project and manager for the world trade center complex

Frank Demartini, tol the press multiple times that they designed the towers to take not one, but two massive jet airliner impacts and not colapse. Other world renound engineers and architects went public and said the same, but were ignored by the media.

Professor Van Romero, vice president of research at NewMexico institute of mining and technology told the media that "the implosion of the towers were to mathmatical to be a chance result of airplanes, and only controled demolition could have brought the buildings down.

Kevin Ryan, an exectuive engineer with Underwriters Labritories, the company which certifies most big buildings in america said that it was impossible that Jet fule would have melted the suport structures.

Firefighter Engenerring, the oldest engenerring publication in america, said "there is no way Jet fule made that happen... Stop hauling away the debries stop covering up the crime scene.

Firefigheters in the towers at the time reported they they heard bombs going off in the tower befor it went down. Several news stations reported "secondary explosions"

Why did building 7 collapse? It wasnt hit by a plane. There was no jet fule. Fire has never in history brought down a large steel building, even when they burn for over a week.

Larry silversteen origionaly only owned building 7 of the complex. 2 months prior to 9/11, he bought the entire complex and took out a record insurance poloicy (he has now been paid $3.5 billion for this, and is trying to get double that on his origional investment of $200 million.)

Larry Silversteen went on telivision and said that he had made the decision to "Pull the building" because the building was on fire (moderate fires acording to firefighters) and there had already been enough loss of life for the day. "Pull" is a demolition term refering to the controlled destruction of a building using explosives. If you watch fotage of building 7's collapse, you will see the crimp in the central collums of the buildings.

In the above paragraph, Larry would have you belive that he went into the building on the morning of 9/11 with all the comotion that was going on, set up explosives in the tower in a few short hours, something which normaly takes engineers weeks to set up and prepare. And that they did this while the building was on fire.

Another intersting point is that Marvin Bush, the Presidents brother, was the head of security for the whole complex. His contract ended the morning of 9/11.

Lets also not forget that NORAD stood down that morning. They had been running drills that very morning in whcih hijacked planes were flying into... the twin towers and the pentagon... yet, they didnt have prior knowalge.

The us government was warned by the Tellaban that Osama was going to do something drastic and that they needed to stop him, (They told the governemnt this 2 months in advance) and that that they needed to stop them. CNN reported on a senario very similar to the happenings of 9/11 in 1995. Also, the French, Birtish, Egyptians, Ittalians, Russians, The isralies, the Indians... all warned the US that it was going to happen.

The US Government is lieing to its people. there is no question about that.


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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

"Oooo Apple I wanna have your babies" (from X=10).

Take note Alpine3

THAT IS EVIDENCE

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^yea, no kidding. but some misspellings, like fule and telliban, it should be fuel and taliban. but that is what one could say is an argued point.


- Patty

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yah, i cant spell well at all... thats why i have "please pardon the cacography" in my signature. Please forgive the mistakes.

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-Thom Savery
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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

if this cannot change your veiws on 911, then nothing will and you are just scared to the truth



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http://www.macshrine.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-253.html



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Ill post it again, because it is a truth that people need to realize.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
-J. Edgar Hoover


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-Thom Savery
please pardon the cacography
.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

who cares... what are you gonna do about it? oh thats right elect bush again hahah losers

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i cannot find one working link to the northwoods conspiracy, anyone have one?



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yah, i have a copy of it on my computer... If anyone wants it just message me your e-mail and ill send it to you.

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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

The thing is bullet proof.

Cleaver, but I don’t buy it. At first glance it doesn’t seem that they peruse their own questions far enough. They even don’t seem to really ask the right people in some situations either. I’m gona be bold and call “sloppy sleuthing� here.

Interesting, nonetheless.

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you are always forgiven, thom, no worries dude...


- Patty

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Agreed. Apple's comments are more powerful than the video, in my opinion.

Yep.

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I'd also like to draw a fightening parallel between Nazi germany and modern United States. When hitler was democraticly elected, one of the first things he did was burn down his own capital building, the Reichstag fires. We all learned about this in history class in grade 10. His next step was to blame the fire on Communists and institute "Reich security", which is errily similar to "homeland security" Hitler also told his people that if they wanted protection from terrorist threats, he needed to take away their freedoms, and he began instituting his version of the patriot acts. He took away freedoms one by one untill Nazi germany became the nation which is so despised in history. He also used his reichstag fires are a pretext to expand his nation, to get his people behind the war. This is exactly how the events of 9/11 are being used by the government of the United States of America. What Hitler did, and what the USA is doing is called "Problem, Reaction, Solution" You creat a problem, then you creat a solution to the problem and use the problem you created to gain the suport of your people for your solution. Its a tatict which has been used all throughout history.

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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

wow. I HATE george Bush and the whole idea of our "government".
ever since the first president there has been secrets, secrets that need to be told. farenheit 9/11 changed my life. this world has been turned upside down, and i've become paranoid. Live day by day, do what is right, because you never know what day will be your last. The bible says that there will be 3 world wars. We have had 2 of them already. It says that after the 3rd world war the world will be like demolished. as in the 4th world war will be fought with sticks and stones. This keeps hinting at nuclear weapons. Think about it, do u think that someone could've predicted that 2,000 years ago without knowing something? There is definately a god, Jesus is our savior, but someday we must pay for our sins.

I would like to know then what u all think really happened..

dude, farenheit 9/11 did bush a big favour. It witewashed the whole situation and made him look like an idiot who just didnt notice what was going on. Alex Jones, a radio host from Austin, Texas asked Michael Moore why he didnt go into the "hard core 9/11 issues", Norad standing down and reports of bombs. Michael responded by saying "Because that would be unamerican".

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-Thom Savery
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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

seems relatively likely to me, Bush and co had a lot more to gain than any terrorists

-------Numbers have dehumanized us. Over breakfast coffee we read of 40,000 American dead in Vietnam. Instead of vomiting, we reach for the toast. Our morning rush through crowded streets is not to cry murder but to hit that trough before somebody else gobbles our share.----------------------------------D alton Trumbo, 1970

If you have an hour, watch this documentry done by the BBC called "The power of nightmares: Shadows in the caves". It does a good job of potraying how and why the terrorist threat was created.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104powerofnightmares.htm

If you have 30 minutes, watch this preview of a movie called 9/11 The Great Illusion by George Humphrey. even though it is only part of the movie, it shows how without a doubt the US governemnt had prior knowalge and helped plan the events on 9/11.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/190704greatillusion.htm

If you want to see fotage of the colapse of Building 7, of Larry Silversteen saying he was going to pull the building, and many other intresting facts about the events of 9/11, and you dont mind doing a little bit of reading at the same time, this page basicly spells everything out, It give both sides of the arguments, then tries to dispell (rather sucsessfully) the side which says "this was not a conspiricy"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html


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-Thom Savery
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'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

apple you are so cool

-------Numbers have dehumanized us. Over breakfast coffee we read of 40,000 American dead in Vietnam. Instead of vomiting, we reach for the toast. Our morning rush through crowded streets is not to cry murder but to hit that trough before somebody else gobbles our share.----------------------------------D alton Trumbo, 1970

was that sarcasim? i couldnt tell... I dont know if i should defend my self or not... please, help me out...

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-Thom Savery
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.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

wow thom. you are so on top of the situation...(and now refer to thom's signature for some comedic relief).


but seriously...very convincing.


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living just outside D.C., and driving past the pentagon almost daily, these conspiracy theories have been granted more and more credibility in my eyes. I dont know if your aware, but surrounding the pentagon is a highway, which means lamposts. Now, not only would it be virtually impossible for a plane to be flown down that low in the pentagon without an excellent pilot, but also, all the security footage from the surrounding buildings were immediately confiscated by government agencies.
Finally, if a plane had really flown over I-495/I-395, there ought to be thousands of witnesses to teh plane flying in, as at that hour, commuting is just after its peak.

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some of my friends are reading 1984 for their english course, and it is along the same lines as what you said, and this is extremely frightening to realise just how much the US is manipulative of its media and population. when i was talking with them about the book, which unfortunately i have not read, we noticed that every single thing that Big Brother does in the book has a parallel in the US governments actions. that was really eery reading what you said.

one thing that i think Micheal Moore did very well in pointing out was the culture of fear in the US. i get fox news here, and its so incredibly humorous how everyone needs to be lead to believe that they are in danger. like in american dad when he changes the pointer on the color threat level.
but i do agree that Moore really only focused on discrediting the president and his cabinet and not focusing on the real questions.

and wow thom, that was one of the most convicting and well argumented case i have read about the 9 11 happenings. i have all your replies saved to a word document for future reference. thanks!


- Patty

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wow apple, you brought up some amazing arguing points. i think i might just save those posts for future reference as well

How ironic, he's blinded after a lifetime of enjoying being able to see

We gonna find out what we already know. Bush did it.

HypeBeastWe gonna find out what we already know. Bush did it.

You kind of figure Cheney wouldn’t have said anything if he did know in advance. If they didn’t know they should have is probably the best we will get. And also look at Trump- he openly admitted committing felonies and they couldn’t pin his ass to shit so it’s kind of academic at this point