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I can quite easily grasp the idea of something getting infinetly larger. For e.g. expanding a ball, and continually doubling the size of it. Hypothetically speaking, it could go on forever, if you think about it! However, what would happen if you continually shrunk something? Yes, it would get so small that we couldn't see it, but what would happen? How small can atoms get? And the atoms would be shrinking too! I've been struggling with this for years, please help!
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Atoms aren't a gas, and don't expand or contract like gases do. When a gas contracts, the atoms aren't getting smaller, the volume of the gas has to occupy gets less and less. Eventually you couldn't get it smaller w/o enough force to split an atom, and splitting an atom is uhh... an atomic bomb, so there ya go.
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precisely
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There is a theory with distance that if you continually halve the distance between you and an object you will never ever reach it. 1 meter becomes 0.5 becomes 0.25 and so on, so you get real close but you will still never ever ever get there. I guess you could say that same about an object, it will continually halve in mass but will never ever become nothing, will just become infinatley smaller.
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i was just gonna mention that theory..
for instance, take some object and drop it from standing. It has to travel halfway to the ground to get halfway. then it has to travel another halfway, and another, and another..its hard to explain but in theory your object should never hit the floor, just because there is an infinate number of halfs...
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ya, but it DOES hit the ground. Thats why I hate science.
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gas expands..or something
but yeah it would just get micro scopic or somethign
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It hits the ground because it doesn't travel halves at a time. Gravity accelerates at -9.8m/s^2.
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yah, that's why it works perfectly in theory but not so well in practise. Theoretically a bullet should never hit something if fired from a distance because it will just keep halving the difference in distance between itself and the target. Like dropping a ball, it should never hit the ground but then there are other laws that contradict the theory, like that of gravity = 9.8m/s
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atoms have shit nothing to do with it, what the hell are you talking about? It's perfectly logical in theory for something to halve the distance and never ever get there.
dumbass.
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Well the bullet doesn't travel in halves either, even if it traveled untouched, it would eventually hit the ground due to gravity, and stop because of friction, as it had slowed down earlier due to drag. The vertical component of gravity is independant of the speed it was traveling at horizontally, so it still travels down at -9.8m/s^2. And the force of drag on the bullet is eventually going to be at a rate higher than the bullet's speed. So even theoretically if a bullet halved it's speed (would never happen) it would fall to the ground anyway due to the rate of drag overcoming it.
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It's like how you can never get to the centr of anything - take an apple for instance - yo cut it to the so called centre, but you now have a new centre since you just cut it in half.......
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Thank you very much peeps! Very interesting! Definetly all the arguments that I usually hear.n answer. This one seemed interesting:
There is a theory with distance that if you continually halve the distance between you and an object you will never ever reach it. 1 meter becomes 0.5 becomes 0.25 and so on, so you get real close but you will still never ever ever get there. I guess you could say that same about an object, it will continually halve in mass but will never ever become nothing, will just become infinatley smaller.
What happens to the atoms within an atomic bomb? When they are split, what happens to the split atoms, could it be that they are continually being split, therefore, shrinking the size of the object? Along with a continuous chain of explosions, could this not happen? Atom splits, creates explosion, atom (now half the size, relatively speaking) splits, creates explosion, etc.????
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yeasterday I was walking down my stairs... and I tripped... so I fell down the stairs and hit a wall at the bottum.... it hurt. what do you think of that one science nerds!
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jeez...you should read hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, now thats a quality read. Because a molecule contains a whole other universe and every molecule in that universe contains another universe, ect. theres an infinite amount of universes and there's no such thing as size or mass or volume.
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When atoms are split energy is released... you guys know e=mc^2
That energy is equal the mass that was of atoms that were split times the speed of light SQUARED. And energy isn't exactly molecular. Think of the mass of an atom as just stored energy.
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I learned about that theory in Enviromental Physics. Halving the distance between yourself and a wall or whatever pretty much means that you are never actually touching something. It may feel like I'm typing on keys right now, but there is still and infinetly small distance between the computer and my fingers, so I'm never technically hitting them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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hmmm, i like that.
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You're not getting it ugh... you're fingers aren't moving half the distance to the computer key, it's moving the entire distance, not in halves, and your fingers strike at a rate that accelerates to quickly to be half. The keys would not move if they weren't having work done on them... which is you applying a force to them through your fingers and moving them a distance.
If you consciously only moved at halves of that distance, then you wouldn't ever touch the keys, but you're not moving in halves.
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so...uh,yeah, uh skiing rocks!
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sorry but that is far too much shit to think about
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How do you explain the color green to a blind person that has always been blind and always will be blind...
How do you know that we all see the same colors...think about it, in kindergarden or whenever our parents and teachers teach us the colors of things. so what im saying is that the color red to me could be the color black to you, yet we would both call that color red.
now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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hey Lineski, that was the next one I was going to bring up! Another baffler! Good call!
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Alright that isn't even disputed scientifically, I don't know the deep workings of the proof but here we go.
In order for us to see, light has to enter our eyes. This means that our eyes and brains interpret the light into images. Without light, we could not see anything. We know that a lamp is lit because we see the yellow light of the bulb, even though it might not be bright enough to cast a shadow. We know when it is off, because we see light reflected off it from other sources
There is no dispute that We all see light and dark. This is what the rods of our eyes do. They perceive the presence of light. The range of colors we see is simply a very small band range on the total frequency range of electromagnetic radiation. White is associated w/ this and white is when all colors are reflected from an object. So the summation of all of those colors in our eyes registers white. The cones of our eyes is what perceives color... certain frequencies of light register on color cones programmed for that frequency in the brain in the occipital lobe and those neurons fire to the interpreting part of the brain that assembles the picture like 'sending green (well that's what you have associated w/ that frequency).' Through spectrometry we know that these frequencies are always the same, and we know in the brain the frequency receptors (the cones) aren't different from brain to brain), therefore unless you were actually brought up to believe red was green... then everyone sees the same color.
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that cannot be proved! Please prove it! Until I can step inside your brain and look through your eyes, you cannot prove that. Yes you can throw alot of technical jargon into the whole thing and confuse me but....
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you never actuallt touch anything. all the object does is repel you do to the neutrons circling the object and creating an outward force or soething like that. because th 'object' is the nucleus in the center and not the electrons around it.
i tthink i got that about right
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wow, i feel like a retard, some people on this site are pretty goddamn smart, or leas tthey act or talk like they are.
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yeah that color one is kinda far fetched - scientist think this shit and that, but only a few hundred years ago everyone 'knew' hte earth was flat, so...
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dude... it's already proven, colors range on a certain frequency, I think it's 400nm-700nm. There are receptors for these specific frequencies in the brain, that don't differ from brain to brain, therefore when that frequency is received, everyone sees the same thing.
All these questions you dream up can usually be answered by paying attention in school or reading a book. Someone has something in their signature on what color a mirror is, any object that reflects has no color, because it reflects all the light that reaches it.
And uhh.. neutrons don't orbit atoms, electrons do. And yes you are touching the object because When a bitch in high heels steps on your foot, she's squeezing those atoms in your foot into a smaller space because she touched them, and you can't split an atom w/o physically 'touching' it, imagine splitting an atom as a huge ass giant woman stepping on your foot w/ a pair of monster heels.
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yeah. If you took biology you'd know.
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easy easy... i get what you say about the color reflect at freq. and all that, but its how it LOOKS to each person - the frequency tells us it green, but what i interpret that frequency to look like might be the color you 'see' as another.... dont know if you got that, is kind of muddled..
ok, we know its, say, red, cos it is told to us and the whole frequency thing, but do i interpret red to be the colour that you would think of as blue...?
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atoms have been split into quarks, which are so unstable that they last for like 1/100000000000000000000000000000 of a second, so your ball your dissapper, wether you want it to or not
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It is because the area where that is processed in the brain (the actual part that assembles the image we see) is consistent from person to person. Even in color blind people, color blind people have deficiencies in their cones.
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i dunno maybe you should shove your fingers in your ass and go ponder it some more?
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for the people who said that a ball falls to the ground in halfs got it wrong as far as I know. when the ball bounces it looses some energy, and will only bounce, say half as high. It lost half of it's energy. On each consecutive bounce it will loose another 50% of its energy, therefore only bouncing half as high. the ball should theoretically never come to rest.
And people don't see the same color. some are color blind. and we all recognise red as red, and purple as purple. I don't look at black and have the person next to me say ' thats not black. Its yellow'
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yah, there is a vast difference between what works in theory and what works in reality, that is quite important here.
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ya but for when a built is coming at you a such a volcity that it will go into you it never realy touches you it splits your nutrons apart. its like when you put your hand into water...
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When you are brought up and look at a stop sign you are told that it is red! I see it as red, you see it as red, but the red isn't necessarily the exact same! Prehaps the brain processes the color frequencies the exact same but there is indefinetly a possibility that the colors differ from me to you. I can't really see how that can be proved. Although soemthing shows up as frequencies being processed consistently between two different people how can we tell that the frequencies are not interpreted different by the brain! Nonetheless, if there was a color in this world that we have not seen yet, what would it look like? Another thinker!
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If anyone has done Calculus, this is basically limits. When a number/variable approaches a value but never reaches it. Creates an asymptote when graphed. For all intesive purposes, the varible can be manipulated as though it is the value it is approaching. This is the same reason that .9999 repeating is equal to 1 and can be manipulated as though it was one.
And Tim, if you were to keep halfing the time, you are right, it would never reach the destination. However, in real life the world is continous, and doesn't do that.
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First of all, atoms cannot change size, so the limit that it can shrink to is 1 atom, unless you want to get into subatomic particles and shit like that but we haven't really figured any of that out yet. The limit for how big it can get is theoretically infinite, assuming there are an infinite number of particles in the universe, which hasn't been proven.
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what is the smallest an atom can be then? How do you measure? Is it weight?
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Lane: because the interpreting centers of the brain are consistent. It's the same thing as if you get stabbed w/ a knife, you're neurons fire that there is an extreme pain in your stomach, but one person's brain doesn't say 'oh this feels good.' You never measure molecules or atoms w/ weight, it's all about mass.
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thank you lane - that is exactly what I meant, just couldn't get it into words!
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Well, grav, how come some people have different pain tolerancies then? Like some people enjoy pain while others can't stand any at all! No shit a knife would definetly hurt, I would fall down and start crying but Vandamme would kick the knifer's ass!
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Well, there are small differences. This is why alot of people like the taste of chocolate, but not all. Also, pain tolerances are an example of this. An example of this in color reception would probably be color blindness where people have trouble distinguishing certain colors from others.
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You could measure atoms with weight since weight is just the mass times the acceleration of gravity. That's why you weigh less on the moon, the pull of gravity is less. Atoms are like jolly ranchers, they have lots of flavors. The smallest one is Hydrogen, and it has one neutron and one electron circling the neutron.
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Do they rot the top of your mouth like Jolly Rnachers? THis thread just brought new meaning to New Schoolers! But if a bear shits in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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actually hydrogen has 3 different isotopes, with the large majority of them having 0 neutrons.
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